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Old Nov 12, 2019, 6:52 am
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The programme will now change from 1 January 2022 (postponed again and it will not start before 2023)
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html

All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html

Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:

Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments

There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.

'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.

SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points

The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.

Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.

Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.




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Old Dec 13, 2022, 2:41 am
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Originally Posted by LHSEN
Maybe no news is good news? Or maybe they are working on a new Q1 2023 status & hon miles promotion :-) … this is needed if they keep the current almost impossible qualifying standards.
Why you think the current qualifying standards are impossible?!?!

Current year promotions was more than generous!
And planes are full.
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Old Dec 13, 2022, 2:51 am
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Originally Posted by LHSEN
Maybe no news is good news? Or maybe they are working on a new Q1 2023 status & hon miles promotion :-) … this is needed if they keep the current almost impossible qualifying standards.
Since planes in the premium classes are rather full (not so much in Y), I fear that there may not be another promotion, although a Q1 promotion would be very much appreciated.
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Old Dec 13, 2022, 3:44 am
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Originally Posted by Raul_R
Why you think the current qualifying standards are impossible?!?!

Current year promotions was more than generous!
And planes are full.
Capacity still isn't up to 2019 levels though. So yield may well be higher, but overall revenue will be lower.
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Old Dec 13, 2022, 3:54 am
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Originally Posted by Dave_C
Capacity still isn't up to 2019 levels though. So yield may well be higher, but overall revenue will be lower.
Bottom line counts, not total revenue. LH is basically only selling full fare J. This has lifted the operational margin to lofty heights. Lufthansa is basically printing money. Stock is at 8 EUR today.
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Old Dec 13, 2022, 7:43 am
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New HON Event on 19.December.
And as written in invitation mail -- New Status Porgram will go live on 1.01.2024
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Old Dec 13, 2022, 7:56 am
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Originally Posted by Raul_R
New HON Event on 19.December.
And as written in invitation mail -- New Status Porgram will go live on 1.01.2024
second attempt for the call :-)
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Old Dec 13, 2022, 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by Raul_R
New HON Event on 19.December
Thanks for the info- good to finally have something from somebody...
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Old Dec 13, 2022, 8:37 am
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As I re-qualified as SEN until 02/26 (I re-qualified in 2021 for 2022-2023, and again this year for 2024-2025) which I assume is going to be honored it will be interesting to see whether 2024 will also (in addition to 2023) be a dead year for me.
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Old Dec 13, 2022, 9:37 am
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Originally Posted by JD3313
As I re-qualified as SEN until 02/26 (I re-qualified in 2021 for 2022-2023, and again this year for 2024-2025) which I assume is going to be honored....
I would think you’re right, regardless of what changes are announced on Monday. I don’t think they’ll let you qualify for something, then take it away...
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Old Dec 13, 2022, 11:02 am
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wondering if the influencer/social media call is on Monday too and again at 4.30 pm (so before the HON call). If yes, we might see material even before the HON call floating around.
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Old Dec 13, 2022, 11:45 am
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Originally Posted by HKG1111
wondering if the influencer/social media call is on Monday too....
Well, since “bloggers” and “influencers” have had extremely little to say about the new program and the cancellations last week, I guess we will never know. There may be a separate call for them, but I doubt they will be blogging or influencing...
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Old Dec 13, 2022, 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Raul_R
Why you think the current qualifying standards are impossible?!?!

Current year promotions was more than generous!
And planes are full.
Current qualification standard = without all these double miles … I do wish the standard is with double etc. hon/status miles forever. And I said “almost” impossible.
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Old Dec 13, 2022, 11:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Raul_R
Current year promotions was more than generous!
And planes are full.
Maybe a wrong conclusion? Planes were not full because of the generous promotion. Planes were full due to extraordinary demand. Tell me how many people travelled on less than a J fare...
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Old Dec 14, 2022, 5:12 am
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The press release just went out. The webpage detailling the changes is also up: https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...programme.html


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Old Dec 14, 2022, 6:51 am
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Please continue the discussion in this thread: New qualifying points system for status from 2024: announced Dec 14, 2022

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