Red BP

The new status programme for 2024 is now posted on MAM website here, not much different from what was planned 3 years ago:
https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/de...programme.html

Fotti

• Seems they fixed the Northern Africa loop hole: "Please note that Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia count as part of the continental zone."
• Lifetime FTV is now 30'000QPs, lifetime SEN 40'000QPs (no longer requiring 10years of SENhood). Status points will be converted 1:2 into QPs on 31.12.2023. Seems slightly better than what was planned 3years ago.

Vixit

So no distinction of booking class within a cabin and no Eco-HONs

MichielR

They changed the numbers: mostly by a factor of 4 but increased the SEN threshold and increased F earning relative to C.

They added HON points (Qualifying Points in C and F) to eliminate HON earning in Y...

SMK77

2019: Divide status stars points by 2 and become Lifetime with 10,000 QP.
2022: Multiply status star by 2 and become Lifetime with 40,000 QP.

Same, same. Everyone will have the same Lifetime qualification % by 31 December 2023.

SMK77

They killed the HON runs to North Africa and the increased F earnings by a small margin:

2019: Fly HAM-FRA-SIN vv in First and earn 160 QP. HON requires 1,500 QP. One flight is 10.67% of your HON qualification. Do this 9 times a year and you are not yet HON.
2022: Fly HAM-FRA-SIN vv in First and earn 680 QP. HON requires 6,000 QP. One flight is 11.3% of your HON qualification. Do this 9 times a year and you are HON.

Carsten: your interns really nailed this one. They really did. Minus you will sell a ticket less...

Fotti

Point-wise yes, same same. But they removed the 10years of SENhood requirement

SMK77

That makes such a difference I would almost call this an enhancement. Who benefits from that? Someone who gets to 40,000 at the age of 93 because they never qualified for SEN?

SMK77

If there ever comes a time when A class is available again: JNB-DXB return is about 4,000 EUR. Your earn 1,200 HON QP. 5 such tickets make you HON.

Do this in Jan/Feb of 2024 and enjoy status till 2/26. Rinse and repeat in Jan/Feb 2026 to stay HON till 2/28...

2 years of HONdom for 20,000 EUR
14 years of HONdom for 140,000 EUR and Lifetime SEN is yours.

Fabo.sk

HONdom will only last for a single year though. So it's 1 year of HONdom for 20,000, not two.

You are maybe confused by the transitional arrangement, but that only applies to existing HONs and only for the first qualification period.
And then only to some - 6K HON points will only get you 2 years in case you earn 300K HON miles in 2023 for your 23/24 qualification period. Then 300K HON miles will convert to 6K HON points (or equivalent if you have a different amount) and upon earning 6K (or whatever is missing to 12) in 2024 you get two years.
Alternatively if you earn less than 300K HON miles in 2023 and don't reach 12K with conversion, you can get one year if you reach 6K in 2024.

HONs who qualify in 2022/23 for 24/25 have 2024 be a dead year and go to a yearly qualification starting 2025.

MichielR

Someone who had 15 years of HON

bobhope2

So the dream of becoming an economy Hon via Tunisia is dashed.

I am wondering when they made the alteration. Before or after last week's webcast?

hugolover

Have LOT realised they’re worse off? They really signed off on this?

There's even more incentive for a PL based member to choose LH Group over LO. Plus despite what was promised, still no HON miles in Y, this matters as LO only have Y domestic. LO have told their members to please, go fly LH Group. And its harder to work it out, a lot of people will get caught out.

LOL at it being less complicated, theres now points, qualifying points, HON Circle Miles and award miles?

Going forward a return in business to Europe via WAW... the Y feeder to WAW earns 20 points / 20 qualifying plus then the 40 points and qualifying for the C. Hence an EU return would be 120. Versus Lufthansa where the feeder to the hubs is in C and earns 160 points.

SEN is earned with 12.5 returns on LH Group, no matter if it's P or not.

If you fly LO, you’re an idiot. Return in C via WAW would be 120 points and qualifying so 16.6 returns...no matter if its Y and C.

The pax I can’t understand are screwed are high fare Y flyers despite the immense profitability of Y, B and M fares…

Right now a rip-off Y, B return to Europe earns you SEN in 18 returns on all M&M valid two years. Going forward it will be 25 returns valid one year.

I can’t see them keeping onboard SEN’s who can easily achieve Star Gold with some other programme, and still earn really good miles based on the high RBDs.

Finally, the political class are totally screwed in PL.

Right now 80 one ways to/from WAW, 40 returns are SEN valid two years in RBD Y.
Now they need 100 one ways in RBD Y…valid only one year.
This will massively clear out many of them, some of them are struggling now.

LO leaving M&M has to be on the cards so soon. This is a disaster for them. That is, if they even realise, or understand M&M at all .

kai.lileboo

With a new system, and aftter being SEN for 18 years, I won't get Lifetime. Only 3.5* till end of 2023. By this new rule, you would have needed 27,4 years of SEN status to reach Lifetime. Other hotel/airlines require 10 consecutive years. If it was launched back in 1993, then you should have achieved SEN the next year in order to qualify.

59Impala

Just received the mail as well (Senator News)