Pilot strikes in Autumn / Fall 2014
Sep 16, 2014, 4:59 am
#226
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Also, it's National/regional courts that decide such compensation cases, not "European high courts"..
Sep 16, 2014, 5:37 am
#227
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Location: BSL/FRA or PHL
Programs: LH Miles and More, DL SkyMiles, Bonvoy, Hilton
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Why wouldn't one want to relay on such service?
Yes, but unfortunately summarily dismissing the troublemakers seems to bump against some kind of sissy "worker-rights" laws, and LH management doesn't seem to have the imagination to sell a product at sufficient margins to support the customary lifestyle of the pilots. Since most of us LH customers have at least some choice of air carrier, those who can find alternatives will, and LH management and pilots can combine their efforts and run the ship onto the rocks even faster.
), we could simply choose to ignore the whole issue and just choose a carrier based on best expected travel outcomes instead of looking for a fight every time the complex, brittle and marginally performing commercial air transport system lets us down.
Sep 16, 2014, 4:13 pm
#228
Senior Moderator, Moderator: Community Buzz and Ambassador: Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners)
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In the end it looks like 8 flights had their departure time rescheduled and one flight cancelled.
Code:
Flt# Dest. Sched. Resched. LH416 IAD 1000 0830 LH456 LAX 1005 0825 LH438 DFW 1015 0830 LH430 ORD 1045 0820 LH444 ATL 1045 0830 LH562 ABV 1110 0830 LH594 LOS 1110 0830 LH740 KIX 1320 1600 LH426 PHL 1310 Cancelled
Sep 16, 2014, 4:41 pm
#229
Join Date: Aug 2005
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What does this mean? Deutsche Bahn is a fine and reliable provider of transport services. They are at least as good as LH. (In winter. During a major snow storm.) I have taken over 30 DB segments this year, many of those segments as feeders to/from FRA. The majority of the trains arrived on the scheduled track, and a few were even operating within 30 minutes of the published schedule.
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Sep 17, 2014, 12:25 am
#230
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: EFHK - HEL
Programs: AY, LH, KL, SK, D8, Marriott, Melia.
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How long does this take? In Oct I have upcoming HEL MUC/FRA ICN flights.
Sep 17, 2014, 3:02 am
#231
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Between AMS and BRU
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I'm sure they will make your schedule their priority...... nobody knows when they will reach an agreement, at least they are talking again.
Sep 25, 2014, 6:05 am
#232
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 361
And again...
As stated on the pilots' union website, negotiations have collapsed over the issue of retirement bridge benefits. As discussed previously, LH wants to stop paying retirement benefits for pilots leaving the company at age 55, and wants to increase that age to 60. This change would leave the privileges of existing pilots unaffected, but only affect new hires.
Additional strike action is imminent.
I hardly get emotional about anything, but if it weren't against FT rules, I would now write a full page of swear words in capital letters.
As stated on the pilots' union website, negotiations have collapsed over the issue of retirement bridge benefits. As discussed previously, LH wants to stop paying retirement benefits for pilots leaving the company at age 55, and wants to increase that age to 60. This change would leave the privileges of existing pilots unaffected, but only affect new hires.
Additional strike action is imminent.
I hardly get emotional about anything, but if it weren't against FT rules, I would now write a full page of swear words in capital letters.
Sep 25, 2014, 6:10 am
#233
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Damn... I'm flying on Saturday and had hoped they would still be talking. Let's see where the next action is going to be. I recommend France.
Sep 25, 2014, 7:33 am
#234
Join Date: May 2002
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It's selfish I know but whew... Just finished all my LH flying.
They had a stoppage right before I left and once after I left and now I'm back.
Dodged that bullet.
They had a stoppage right before I left and once after I left and now I'm back.
Dodged that bullet.
Sep 25, 2014, 9:01 am
#235
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I suggest that we customers organize a strike of our own: No LH flights in 2015 by us customers as long as LH can't provide a reliable schedule/service and take back the M&M enhancements of the last years... I wonder how fast management and unions would come to an agreement if customers would show them that they book elsewhere.
Sep 25, 2014, 9:23 am
#236
Join Date: May 2009
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I suggest that we customers organize a strike of our own: No LH flights in 2015 by us customers as long as LH can't provide a reliable schedule/service and take back the M&M enhancements of the last years... I wonder how fast management and unions would come to an agreement if customers would show them that they book elsewhere.
(ok, just LH, not LH group as a whole )
Sep 25, 2014, 9:47 am
#237
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Sep 25, 2014, 10:04 am
#238
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I suggest that we customers organize a strike of our own: No LH flights in 2015 by us customers as long as LH can't provide a reliable schedule/service and take back the M&M enhancements of the last years... I wonder how fast management and unions would come to an agreement if customers would show them that they book elsewhere.
The question now is what to do with my October flights to USA.
LH is making it very difficult.
Sep 25, 2014, 10:13 am
#239