finite7777

I was never an elitist till I flew LH home from Paris. Now I won't even look at anyone unless I am getting onboard...

Flyingfox

Oops!
You're right!

I have done the Japan flights, but forgot about that. I always choose the Japanese meal.

I've also been on a Dubai-Frankfurt 3 AM flight that was etagerie-free!

NewbieRunner

If you opt for the Japanese meal caviar is served automatically as the first course (unless you are Shareholder), but if you opt for the Western menu caviar is considered one of the appetizers and you have to ask if you want caviar as well as an appetizer.

snic

There is no reason to heap abuse on the OP simply because he expressed an opinion you don't like.

I, for one, value the range of opinions expressed here on LH's (and others') products.

Flyingfox

+1

And as mother always said, "If you don't have anything nice to say.........."

Flyingfox

It's amusing that in the same post you write that "money doesn't buy class", then go on to use vulgar and inappropriate language that lacks any class whatsoever.

I am quite sure this language is not allowed on FT and should be deleted by the mod.

BOSton Traveller

I am sorry, honestly, I was reacting not so much at all to the OP but to this seemingly endless stream of threads about (slight or no exaggeration, but I think many get the point) how many ducks can I take from the FCT, how can I try all the meals instead of just one, is it sauve to wear my PJ top as evening wear so everyone knew I flew LH first, is it ok to go behind a check in desk to get a red boarding sleeve, and how I can have an FT party in the FCT and then refund all the tickets... my ever loving g-d, I love LH, think they have a great product and enjoy reading FT in my limited spare time but quite a bit of content in more recent times couldn't be much tackier.

IAN-UK

The first-class cabin is an environment where access is controlled largely by cash, not by social cachet. Sneering at the behaviour of one's fellow passengers is surely the mark of an arriviste.

ijgordon

oh, I can take it, thanks. Plus it lets me know whose opinions to value and whose not to because clearly they have no concept of quality, are overly defensive or are just a big LH apologist.

Sorry, the "old" LH F seat is not good. It is not wide. The armrests don't go down, so you are semi-trapped in the coffin. There is little separation between your head and the aisle (no privacy). The seat doesn't go full flat, maybe 175 degrees at best. Maybe I had a bum seat but then so did the guy across the aisle. So that's not good. Even if the seat back went 180, you wouldn't have a flat surface because the seat cushion does not articulate (it's slanted slightly backward). And the design of the seat (nothing for the back to "rest" on means it bounces quite a bit in turbulence, amplifying the movement of the cabin. The armrest "storage" is awkward - both inside the armrest and on top of it.

Seriously, go try the CX F suite and then tell me the LH seat is okay. Even AA's FC seat is superior.

Unterwegs

The CX suite in my opinion is the best F seat around - by a wide margin. It is superior even to the new LH 747 seats or the new LX 330 seats. Mo doubt about this.
But compared to many other seats around the old LH seats (also my opinion) are acceptable, not great. I still prefer them over AA any time. The AA seat goes flat, but not in parallel to the aisle. Your head is very close to the aisle, and because the seat protrudes into the aisle people constantly bump into your seat. And i don't even want to mention the soft product. It is more like premium economy.

BOSton Traveller

Yes, we know that the CX First Suite is great, thats not ground shattering information. The old LH first complete product (ground and on board) is superior to any NA airline in every way. In regards to others comments, yes the seat isnt private but when traveling with a business or other companion it is one of the few products left that allows one to travel "together." In the "old" days people did this, they conversed about things other than how to engorge themselves and find ways to dump fuel surcharges and photo shop elite cards to be status matched... the list goes on. I wonder what its like for some of the more professional crew to see these folks flying on their purchased US Airways points in FC and then complain about everything while at the same time trying to stuff a few spoons in their carry on

snic

First, some (a lot?) of this maximizer conversation is tongue-in-cheek.

Second, the whole spirit of FT is to help one another get the most out of flying. We're people who love flying, probably much more so than the average business traveler. We want the best experience possible. Yet, airlines keep taking away the best parts of the flying experience - it used to be glamorous and enjoyable; now it's a hassle and uncomfortable. Some of the constant, seemingly trivial "maximizer" questions are a result of this transformation: we ask because we want to experience, as closely as possible, flying the way it used to be.

sentom

this largely is the result of oversees paranoia, implementing more and more absolutely pointless security rules. that's why it's a hassle, for no other reason...

NewbieRunner

Excuse me! But this is not a big joke of a thread!
Otherwise it wouldn't have lasted this long.

snic

I dunno, depends on the stranger!