Mess in AMS today - up to March 2022
Jul 15, 2019, 4:45 am
#481
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because the spreadsheet says so after so many landings. That is the issues with a lot of these kind of decisions, where people who actually think, wonder why the hell has that decision been taken. Most of the time it is because someone only does the bare minimum in their job and does not think it over.
Jul 15, 2019, 4:46 am
#482
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Jul 16, 2019, 6:15 am
#483
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Jul 24, 2019, 8:40 am
#484
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Sounds bad today.
https://nos.nl/liveblog/2294896-stor...iegtuigen.html
Kerosine supply disrupted, causing rolling delays.
I had a 5+ hr delay yesterday myself (unrelated to this, just 747 being...747) followed by a 12+hr delay in LAX connecting. My sympathies with anyone caught in this one.
https://nos.nl/liveblog/2294896-stor...iegtuigen.html
Kerosine supply disrupted, causing rolling delays.
I had a 5+ hr delay yesterday myself (unrelated to this, just 747 being...747) followed by a 12+hr delay in LAX connecting. My sympathies with anyone caught in this one.
Jul 24, 2019, 9:50 am
#485
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According to the headline, hundreds of passengers are stuck for hours on planes (further down it says thousands of passengers stuck on 70 planes), though surely they can't be the departing planes, as why would you keep pax on board a plane that can't leave?
Today is not a day I'd want to be stuck on a plane on the ground, particularly if it's an arriving plane unable to dock and hook up to a ground APU!!!
Today is not a day I'd want to be stuck on a plane on the ground, particularly if it's an arriving plane unable to dock and hook up to a ground APU!!!
Jul 24, 2019, 9:53 am
#486
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According to the headline, hundreds of passengers are stuck for hours on planes (further down it says thousands of passengers stuck on 70 planes), though surely they can't be the departing planes, as why would you keep pax on board a plane that can't leave?
Today is not a day I'd want to be stuck on a plane on the ground, particularly if it's an arriving plane unable to dock and hook up to a ground APU!!!
Today is not a day I'd want to be stuck on a plane on the ground, particularly if it's an arriving plane unable to dock and hook up to a ground APU!!!
Jul 24, 2019, 10:01 am
#487
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Indeed, temperature records are falling all over NL today, and a local twitter account here in Den Haag recorded the road surface temperature as 60°C today:
Jul 24, 2019, 10:18 am
#488
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According to the headline, hundreds of passengers are stuck for hours on planes (further down it says thousands of passengers stuck on 70 planes), though surely they can't be the departing planes, as why would you keep pax on board a plane that can't leave?
Today is not a day I'd want to be stuck on a plane on the ground, particularly if it's an arriving plane unable to dock and hook up to a ground APU!!!
Today is not a day I'd want to be stuck on a plane on the ground, particularly if it's an arriving plane unable to dock and hook up to a ground APU!!!
This happened to my KLM 747 MX delay yesterday too, and then the extra 747 that filled in sat in the sun for too long, spoiling the catered meals. New meals had to be located and loaded, adding an hour to the delay...
Jul 24, 2019, 10:30 am
#489
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It also shouldn't be too difficult to arrange, when refuelling recommences, that it is done in a particular order, if that is indeed how refuelling must be performed. I would have expected that many of the flights would be cancelled by then, anyway.
On a day as warm as this, it would be more comfortable for all involved to wait in the terminal. Even if that meant holding everyone in the departure pen again, and preventing them from dispersing throughout the terminal. It should be possible to board the pax again before/while refuelling actually happens. The passengers don't strictly need to be onboard in order for fuel to be put into the tanks, or for a particular plane to lose its place in the "queue"....
EDIT: The Guardian is using a photo of Schiphol, not to report the disruption, but to report the setting of a new maximum temperature record
Last edited by irishguy28; Jul 24, 2019 at 10:45 am
Jul 24, 2019, 11:10 am
#490
Join Date: May 2017
Location: MAN
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Just arrived at AMS, and we were fortunate to get to a gate within a few minutes. The non-Schengen lounge is, of course, rammed but the upside (for KLM) is that Blue is getting quite a bit of custom...
Many flights are simply being cancelled but the connection to MAN is stil showing as on time. We will see!
Edit: Arrived in MAN 1 hour late, with a further delay due to emergency runway repairs at MAN. Many short-haul flights that could refuel before/after AMS were operating almost normally.
I can report that the plane's a/c was on whilst on the ground!
Many flights are simply being cancelled but the connection to MAN is stil showing as on time. We will see!
Edit: Arrived in MAN 1 hour late, with a further delay due to emergency runway repairs at MAN. Many short-haul flights that could refuel before/after AMS were operating almost normally.
I can report that the plane's a/c was on whilst on the ground!
Last edited by PeteM01; Jul 25, 2019 at 2:11 am Reason: Update
Jul 24, 2019, 12:37 pm
#491
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By some miracle, KL643 got fueled by old fashioned tankers and is getting ready to push back. This is the first and only aircraft I've seen fueled since getting to Schiphol this afternoon.
Guess there are some very important horses in the back of this combi!
Edit: captain says we're one of the few flights expected to depart tonight. There are indeed 15 horses on board, and enough money at stake to prioritize getting them on their way. Lucky to be along for the ride tonight.
Guess there are some very important horses in the back of this combi!
Edit: captain says we're one of the few flights expected to depart tonight. There are indeed 15 horses on board, and enough money at stake to prioritize getting them on their way. Lucky to be along for the ride tonight.
Last edited by terrier; Jul 24, 2019 at 12:58 pm
Jul 24, 2019, 12:50 pm
#492
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tankers on the way ?
Jul 24, 2019, 1:31 pm
#493
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What a horrendous prospect - hanging around the terminal all night to board a flight currently rescheduled for 03:50 - and every chance it will be delayed further, or cancelled, in the meantime!!