JAL - Hot Cabin
Dec 9, 2014, 4:42 pm
#166
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: San Jose, California, USA
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22-23 degrees C is above 70 degrees F, which I would find comfortable while in a swimming suit on the beach, but not fully clothed on a plane.
Unfortunately for me, my luck has run out: I'm on the verge of buying flights on JL. Usually I enjoy trying out new air carriers, but I have been avoiding JL successfully up until now. Fortunately, I was able to stick with AA for the transpacific portion, but the intra-Asia flights on JL are the only options at my price point. I've had good luck getting flights on CX before, and CX seems to keep their flights at a much more reasonable (to me) temperature.
Unfortunately for me, my luck has run out: I'm on the verge of buying flights on JL. Usually I enjoy trying out new air carriers, but I have been avoiding JL successfully up until now. Fortunately, I was able to stick with AA for the transpacific portion, but the intra-Asia flights on JL are the only options at my price point. I've had good luck getting flights on CX before, and CX seems to keep their flights at a much more reasonable (to me) temperature.
Dec 9, 2014, 5:42 pm
#167
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Sacramento, CA
Programs: AA Exec Plat, Hyatt,Marriott,BA,AS
Posts: 4,428
Dec 9, 2014, 6:47 pm
#168
Ambassador: Japan Airlines
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: LAX
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22-23 degrees C is above 70 degrees F, which I would find comfortable while in a swimming suit on the beach, but not fully clothed on a plane.
Unfortunately for me, my luck has run out: I'm on the verge of buying flights on JL. Usually I enjoy trying out new air carriers, but I have been avoiding JL successfully up until now. Fortunately, I was able to stick with AA for the transpacific portion, but the intra-Asia flights on JL are the only options at my price point. I've had good luck getting flights on CX before, and CX seems to keep their flights at a much more reasonable (to me) temperature.
Unfortunately for me, my luck has run out: I'm on the verge of buying flights on JL. Usually I enjoy trying out new air carriers, but I have been avoiding JL successfully up until now. Fortunately, I was able to stick with AA for the transpacific portion, but the intra-Asia flights on JL are the only options at my price point. I've had good luck getting flights on CX before, and CX seems to keep their flights at a much more reasonable (to me) temperature.
Dec 9, 2014, 6:58 pm
#169
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Dec 9, 2014, 7:04 pm
#170
Ambassador: Japan Airlines
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: LAX
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Dec 10, 2014, 8:37 am
#172
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Dec 10, 2014, 11:09 am
#173
Join Date: Apr 2014
Programs: JGC Sapphire
Posts: 283
I did make a wrong decision once, my previous set of flights was with CX.
It was middle of the winter, and I just had appendectomy 2 weeks ago, coughing is certainly not something I want, so I was wearing heat-tech + cashmere top + double layer of heat-tech tights + wool skirt, which I instantly regret when I got on-board.
It was indeed hot and I was sweating at the beginning, but soon after my body adapted to the surrounding, it is not something that I can not manage, I wasn't even bothered to take any of my clothes off. I survived after the 3 hour Y flight just fine.
I have to admit I prefer CX's cold setting more, but if 22-23 is not manageable, there aren't that many places to live to be honest, even Northern Europe, Canada and Hokkaido get temperature above 25 during summer.
It was middle of the winter, and I just had appendectomy 2 weeks ago, coughing is certainly not something I want, so I was wearing heat-tech + cashmere top + double layer of heat-tech tights + wool skirt, which I instantly regret when I got on-board.
It was indeed hot and I was sweating at the beginning, but soon after my body adapted to the surrounding, it is not something that I can not manage, I wasn't even bothered to take any of my clothes off. I survived after the 3 hour Y flight just fine.
I have to admit I prefer CX's cold setting more, but if 22-23 is not manageable, there aren't that many places to live to be honest, even Northern Europe, Canada and Hokkaido get temperature above 25 during summer.
Dec 10, 2014, 7:08 pm
#174
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Sacramento, CA
Programs: AA Exec Plat, Hyatt,Marriott,BA,AS
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That's almost 75 degrees Fahrenheit !! In a closed cabin?? Incredible. JAL and their Japanese passengers want this and that's their right as JAL is their national carrier. But westerners may want to avoid JL and take a carrier that caters to the average passenger. It's always possible to get warmer with blankets, sweaters, etc. but it's almost impossible to get cooler short of flying nude and maybe not even then at these high temps.
Someone also mentioned that outdoor temps in Europe and the US can certainly exceed 23 Celcius during certain times. That's a silly argument as outdoor temperatures have nothing to do with temperatures in confined spaces.
I also looked at JL's first class meals. While they offer a single western dish, appetizers such as sea urchins and other typical Japanese fare don't usually appeal to the usual western traveler.
It's clear that JL is most interested in serving their own market and that's fine. Someone recently posted that American carriers don't offer meals appealing to Asians on their domestic flights. However, on our upcoming trip -strictly domestic- our selection on one flight is Miso Chicken and on the next flight it's Terryaki beef, neither of which we like. For westerners who like Japanese food, I'm sure the quality on JL is of very high standard.
CX is willing to keep the cabin at a reasonable temperature and offer a selection of meals to western passengers both in F and J classes.
For these reasons I canceled our F reservations on JL (SIN-LAX) and switched to CX. We will NOT suffer like we did on our last 2 trips on JL.
Someone also mentioned that outdoor temps in Europe and the US can certainly exceed 23 Celcius during certain times. That's a silly argument as outdoor temperatures have nothing to do with temperatures in confined spaces.
I also looked at JL's first class meals. While they offer a single western dish, appetizers such as sea urchins and other typical Japanese fare don't usually appeal to the usual western traveler.
It's clear that JL is most interested in serving their own market and that's fine. Someone recently posted that American carriers don't offer meals appealing to Asians on their domestic flights. However, on our upcoming trip -strictly domestic- our selection on one flight is Miso Chicken and on the next flight it's Terryaki beef, neither of which we like. For westerners who like Japanese food, I'm sure the quality on JL is of very high standard.
CX is willing to keep the cabin at a reasonable temperature and offer a selection of meals to western passengers both in F and J classes.
For these reasons I canceled our F reservations on JL (SIN-LAX) and switched to CX. We will NOT suffer like we did on our last 2 trips on JL.
Dec 10, 2014, 9:31 pm
#175
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
People around here are so dramatic. 
22-23C is a hellhole? Seriously?
JL F catering, both Western and Japanese is also leaps and bounds above what CX F serves. Think Michelin-star quality vs. Panda Express quality on CX - there are in fact 3 Western options on JL, one of which is a wonderful steak. And I know good Chinese cuisine, SQ for instance does it much better than CX.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23916867-post8.html
22-23C is a hellhole? Seriously?
JL F catering, both Western and Japanese is also leaps and bounds above what CX F serves. Think Michelin-star quality vs. Panda Express quality on CX - there are in fact 3 Western options on JL, one of which is a wonderful steak. And I know good Chinese cuisine, SQ for instance does it much better than CX.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23916867-post8.html
Dec 10, 2014, 10:00 pm
#176
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 467
People around here are so dramatic.
22-23C is a hellhole? Seriously?
JL F catering, both Western and Japanese is also leaps and bounds above what CX F serves. Think Michelin-star quality vs. Panda Express quality on CX - there are in fact 3 Western options on JL, one of which is a wonderful steak. And I know good Chinese cuisine, SQ for instance does it much better than CX.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23916867-post8.html
22-23C is a hellhole? Seriously?
JL F catering, both Western and Japanese is also leaps and bounds above what CX F serves. Think Michelin-star quality vs. Panda Express quality on CX - there are in fact 3 Western options on JL, one of which is a wonderful steak. And I know good Chinese cuisine, SQ for instance does it much better than CX.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23916867-post8.html
That doesn't sound good.
Oh well I guess I will experience both CX F and JL F and compare.
Those pics look REALLY amazing though.
I mean that's really michelin star quality presentation... on an airplane.
amazing!
Last edited by dkjb3t4; Dec 10, 2014 at 10:05 pm
Dec 10, 2014, 10:02 pm
#177
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
The food on CX F is its weak point but it's still edible, but compared to JL F ex-Japan it's night and day.
Dec 10, 2014, 10:09 pm
#178
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 467
so JL has the best foods in the F on any airline you've been to?
Dec 10, 2014, 10:10 pm
#179
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 1,018
That's almost 75 degrees Fahrenheit !! In a closed cabin?? Incredible. JAL and their Japanese passengers want this and that's their right as JAL is their national carrier. But westerners may want to avoid JL and take a carrier that caters to the average passenger. It's always possible to get warmer with blankets, sweaters, etc. but it's almost impossible to get cooler short of flying nude and maybe not even then at these high temps.
Dec 10, 2014, 10:54 pm
#180
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Japan/Thailand
Programs: AS, UA
Posts: 1,201
It`s not just that. In Japan (and in S. Korea) electricity cost an arm and a leg, so people in these countries hardly ever use AC and heaters at home to a comfortable level because it is VERY expensive. So to them, to be in a really warm cabin is a treat itself, as most of the passengers get this hot temperature not very often on the ground.