Jun 30, 2023, 9:42 pm
Last edit by: SanDiego1K
Dinner reservations and activities: email [email protected]
Big Sur Smokehouse is closed at least thru end of July 2023.
Your stay includes all meals, whether in-room 24 hours a day, lunch on the Sur House Terrace from 11:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., or dinner at The Sur House—our award-winning restaurant that is open for dinner from 5-9 p.m. Please see our dining menus here.
Signature experiences:
· Morning Movement (Tai Chi, Yoga, Meditation, Big SurCus Poi Dance)
· Coast Ridge Hike
· Bees and Big Sur
Falconry
· Foragers Hike
· Redwood Hike
· Sur House Social
· S'mores
· Astronomy
July 2023 activity schedule:
https://www.ventanabigsur.com/pdf/JU..._AtAGlance.pdf
Big Sur Smokehouse is closed at least thru end of July 2023.
Your stay includes all meals, whether in-room 24 hours a day, lunch on the Sur House Terrace from 11:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., or dinner at The Sur House—our award-winning restaurant that is open for dinner from 5-9 p.m. Please see our dining menus here.
Signature experiences:
· Morning Movement (Tai Chi, Yoga, Meditation, Big SurCus Poi Dance)
· Coast Ridge Hike
· Bees and Big Sur
Falconry
· Foragers Hike
· Redwood Hike
· Sur House Social
· S'mores
· Astronomy
July 2023 activity schedule:
https://www.ventanabigsur.com/pdf/JU..._AtAGlance.pdf
Ventana Big Sur- Alila - REVIEW MASTER THREAD
Nov 11, 2021, 9:00 pm
#1651
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That's more like a property tour. I suppose for a property tour, it's strenuous, but I don't think it gets to the level of a hike.
Nov 12, 2021, 6:46 am
#1654
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Nov 12, 2021, 8:28 am
#1655
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I would contact the concierge team proactively if you're particular about your dinner reservation times. When they reached out to me I got back to them within 30 minutes, but Sur House was already booked solid from 6 to 7:30pm for dinner.
Nov 14, 2021, 7:16 pm
#1656
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I suppose the property would have to buy the spa to make that work, right? They claim they don't own the spa, at least when it comes to getting base points for spend there.
Also, I don't think they'd have nearly enough capacity there to include treatments like Miraval.
Also, I don't think they'd have nearly enough capacity there to include treatments like Miraval.
- Seek to close the ADR gap between Ventana and the neighboring Post Ranch Inn
- Seek to improve ancillary revenue for the spa and activities to comparable spend for ultra-luxury resorts
- Opening the Sur House restaurant to non-resort guests
If I were Hyatt I'd just create a new column on the award chart for all inclusive (much like regular room, standard suite, premium suite) and be done with it. Get rid of the separate Ziva/Zilara/Miraval pricing.
Nov 14, 2021, 7:24 pm
#1657
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Bringing the Miraval conversation back up, the new owner's stated goals are:
If I were Hyatt I'd just create a new column on the award chart for all inclusive (much like regular room, standard suite, premium suite) and be done with it. Get rid of the separate Ziva/Zilara/Miraval pricing.
- Seek to close the ADR gap between Ventana and the neighboring Post Ranch Inn
- Seek to improve ancillary revenue for the spa and activities to comparable spend for ultra-luxury resorts
- Opening the Sur House restaurant to non-resort guests
If I were Hyatt I'd just create a new column on the award chart for all inclusive (much like regular room, standard suite, premium suite) and be done with it. Get rid of the separate Ziva/Zilara/Miraval pricing.
Ziva/Zilara and Ventana pricing is per room, based on 2 persons in each room. At Ziva/Zilara you can pay an additional charge for additional guests. Making Ziva/Zilara/Ventana pricing more in line with Miraval (where there is a sizable charge for each person in the room beyond the first guest) would be a pretty big devaluation.
Nov 14, 2021, 7:33 pm
#1658
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Ziva/Zilara aren't really in the same category as Ventana which also isn't really in the same category as Miraval.
Ziva/Zilara and Ventana pricing is per room, based on 2 persons in each room. At Ziva/Zilara you can pay an additional charge for additional guests. Making Ziva/Zilara/Ventana pricing more in line with Miraval (where there is a sizable charge for each person in the room beyond the first guest) would be a pretty big devaluation.
Ziva/Zilara and Ventana pricing is per room, based on 2 persons in each room. At Ziva/Zilara you can pay an additional charge for additional guests. Making Ziva/Zilara/Ventana pricing more in line with Miraval (where there is a sizable charge for each person in the room beyond the first guest) would be a pretty big devaluation.
My thought was to make the Ziva/Zillara's a "Cat 3 All Inclusive" vs say Ventana as a "Cat 7 All Inclusive", assuming double occupancy. Or maybe just a per person all inclusive surcharge on the regular redemption rates. That way you don't spawn a million asterisks if properties decide to offer an all inclusive plan.
Nov 14, 2021, 7:43 pm
#1659
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I did forget about that fact. I've got no idea how many people go solo to a Miraval vs as a couple.
My idea basically was to make the Ziva/Zillara's a "Cat 3 All Inclusive" vs say Ventana as a "Cat 7 All Inclusive", assuming double occupancy. Or maybe just a per person all inclusive surcharge on the regular redemption rates. That way you don't spawn a million asterisks if properties decide to offer an all inclusive plan.
My idea basically was to make the Ziva/Zillara's a "Cat 3 All Inclusive" vs say Ventana as a "Cat 7 All Inclusive", assuming double occupancy. Or maybe just a per person all inclusive surcharge on the regular redemption rates. That way you don't spawn a million asterisks if properties decide to offer an all inclusive plan.
Many properties - mostly resorts - do actually have all inclusive plans (e.g. Andaz Mayakoba and Papagayo). They're just cash upcharges.
There probably will be changes to the pricing structure for all inclusive properties once ALG is integrated. But I would hope they stick more with the Ziva/Zilara model vs. Miraval.
Nov 14, 2021, 7:44 pm
#1660
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Bringing the Miraval conversation back up, the new owner's stated goals are:
If I were Hyatt I'd just create a new column on the award chart for all inclusive (much like regular room, standard suite, premium suite) and be done with it. Get rid of the separate Ziva/Zilara/Miraval pricing.
- Seek to close the ADR gap between Ventana and the neighboring Post Ranch Inn
- Seek to improve ancillary revenue for the spa and activities to comparable spend for ultra-luxury resorts
- Opening the Sur House restaurant to non-resort guests
If I were Hyatt I'd just create a new column on the award chart for all inclusive (much like regular room, standard suite, premium suite) and be done with it. Get rid of the separate Ziva/Zilara/Miraval pricing.
https://imgur.com/a/lMTgMOB The FT image uploading feature isn’t work on mobile for me rn
No idea if this is true but pretty funny to think about
Nov 14, 2021, 7:58 pm
#1661
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 357
Not privy to what the new owner is doing but there was a huge discussion for the ADR of this hotel on Telegram:
https://imgur.com/a/lMTgMOB The FT image uploading feature isn’t work on mobile for me rn
No idea if this is true but pretty funny to think about
https://imgur.com/a/lMTgMOB The FT image uploading feature isn’t work on mobile for me rn
No idea if this is true but pretty funny to think about
Sur House was entirely awkward 30 something types in hoodies with their significant others when I was there for a mid week stay deep within COVID. Honestly they were a plurality when I was at Andaz Maui too - the fleece vest types were down at the Four Seasons.
I would much rather the credit card bonus types than the EDD types we got immediately afterwards at the Hyatt Regency Santa Rosa - never again.
Nov 14, 2021, 8:29 pm
#1662
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Nov 14, 2021, 8:45 pm
#1663
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Ventana Big Sur at 30K Standard Room award, making it the highest value redemption within World of Hyatt (maybe of all hotel loyalty programs) was/is too good to last. I'm glad I was able to participate in this gravy train twice while it lasted.
Nov 15, 2021, 6:40 am
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Even if it is increasing - you can book for nearly all of 2022 currently to get in another time.
I found a lot more weekend dates open when searching this morning than I did a week ago.