Hotels get more revenue on a P+C award booking than an All-Points award booking in all cases except where the hotel is near or actually sold-out.

How much do hotels typically receive in compensation when they are NOT sold out or nearly sold out?

I once was mistakenly given the GP portion of a bill when I stayed at a sold out property. The hotel received what I assumed was close to the ADR - around $200/night - when BAR was probably around $250 or so.

If it is true that hotels receive more recenue from P+C, that shows just how little they must receive for award rooms in most cases.

I don't see anywhere in the T+C that says anything about logic.

People have posted elsewhere about how much hotels get for points stays when not near full. The amounts seem to be in the $20-$50 range, probably just over the marginal cost of servicing the room. (Since people who earn status tend to be the ones with more points, the cost of all their perks is included in that amount.)

So you think PH Tokyo or PH Vendome gets eq US$50 for an all-pts stay?

I'm afraid I have no polite way to express how much I doubt that.

You don't need to see the T&C for something that can easily be checked in terms of outcome/manifestation.

Full points award is equal to base (and sometimes better than base) room availability at HDR. This is just a matter of fact requiring no further explanation.

C&P award availability is often less than the base room availability at HDR. Again, easy to check with a quick call to HGP helpdesk.

Therefore, it's not a challenging logical jump to conclude that C&P availability is more restricted than full award availability.

You can conclude anything you want. That doesn't make it true, and if you complain to Hyatt that your conclusion failed, they aren't likely to care. If the T+C said that points rooms are available whenever P+C rooms are available, and you could get P+C but not points, then they'd care and probably get you the room on points.

Quite honestly, I have lost track of the point you're trying to make.

Are you disputing that P&C is a more restricted inventory compared to full award? Or a step further, are you trying to say that C&P is a less restricted inventory compared to full award?

We are saying that there's not enough information to say definitively one way or the other.

I think you're trying too hard to prove you're right when everyone here knows you're not.

Whatever gets you through life is cool with me.

+1; you nailed it !!

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Originally Posted by hailstorm

We are saying that there's not enough information to say definitively one way or the other.

Ok - stop with the bickering.

From my take there really isn't a correlation - awards are supposed to be available if the base entry room is available for revenue stays. P&C is at the property's discretion - can be offered on upgraded rooms (as reported here in the forum) or opted out completely. So P&C availability is not easily predictable.

Peteropny - co-mod - Hyatt

This is a good article for better understanding of the issues:

http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....-best-resorts/

I'm saying that I don't know, you don't either, and whining to Hyatt about it isn't going to accomplish anything.