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JeredF Oct 13, 2015 7:32 am


Originally Posted by hailstorm (Post 25554785)
Would it be possible to post, minus any personal information, the exact text of the email? I think it would be very helpful for us to get to the bottom of what Hyatt is actually doing.

The portion in quotes is the only part relevant from the chain. The response from HGP to the property before I got the inquiry on arrival information was "I would like to inform you that I have removed the DIAX request code for the reservation confirmation number X".

Frindle Oct 13, 2015 11:04 pm

While we're talking about issues with DSUs, would someone mind PM'ing me the Diamond Reservations number? I made Diamond 3 weeks ago but still haven't received my welcome packet with card and phone number and having issues getting a DSU applied when I see the space available.

hailstorm Oct 13, 2015 11:53 pm


Originally Posted by Frindle (Post 25561745)
While we're talking about issues with DSUs, would someone mind PM'ing me the Diamond Reservations number? I made Diamond 3 weeks ago but still haven't received my welcome packet with card and phone number and having issues getting a DSU applied when I see the space available.

It's in the Hyatt Terms and Conditions. Look under the part where it talks about booking Diamond Suite Upgrades.

Frindle Oct 13, 2015 11:57 pm


Originally Posted by hailstorm (Post 25561855)
It's in the Hyatt Terms and Conditions. Look under the part where it talks about booking Diamond Suite Upgrades.

Thanks, I'm going back and forth with them now. They say I can't apply a DSU to my C+P booking, but can if I pay the full Hyatt Daily Rate.

OsakaWino Oct 14, 2015 1:30 am


Originally Posted by Frindle (Post 25561866)
They say I can't apply a DSU to my C+P booking, but can if I pay the full Hyatt Daily Rate.

I received confirmation last week from Matt Hansen that this is not correct policy. Hyatt Concierge on FT also confirmed that "if a DSU is available for HDR, then it is available for P+C", so you might have better luck with them.

Mr. Hansen said to email him if I ever ran into the problem again.

Frindle Oct 14, 2015 1:39 am


Originally Posted by OsakaWino (Post 25562091)
I received confirmation last week from Matt Hansen that this is not correct policy. Hyatt Concierge on FT also confirmed that "if a DSU is available for HDR, then it is available for P+C", so you might have better luck with them.

Mr. Hansen said to email him if I ever ran into the problem again.

@HyattConcierge on Twitter is supposed to be reaching out to the hotel's reservations department, but I think they've gone home for the night. Just waiting for the regular reservations to open up so I don't have to deal with outsourced call centers then I'm gonna call back.

hailstorm Oct 14, 2015 1:58 am


Originally Posted by OsakaWino (Post 25562091)
I received confirmation last week from Matt Hansen that this is not correct policy. Hyatt Concierge on FT also confirmed that "if a DSU is available for HDR, then it is available for P+C", so you might have better luck with them.

Mr. Hansen said to email him if I ever ran into the problem again.

And if that doesn't work, go to Chris Hansen.

"Hello Mr. Dewire..."

MikeFromTokyo Oct 14, 2015 2:07 am


Originally Posted by josephstern (Post 25538483)
I know we can't see availability online yet, but to save some calls, is it necessary (but not sufficient) for there to be standard awards available, for a P+C to be available?

Since P+C is a more restricted type of award inventory than standard point only award inventory, it would seem illogical for it to be available in the absence of regular award availability.

hailstorm Oct 14, 2015 2:26 am


Originally Posted by MikeFromTokyo (Post 25562157)
Since P+C is a more restricted type of award inventory than standard point only award inventory, it would seem illogical for it to be available in the absence of regular award availability.

Nowhere has it ever been stated that P+C was a subset of award inventory.

Frindle Oct 14, 2015 2:33 am


Originally Posted by hailstorm (Post 25562195)
Nowhere has it ever been stated that P+C was a subset of award inventory.

Isn't that a given since (in theory) award inventory is 100% of standard rooms, and P+C is x% of that?

hailstorm Oct 14, 2015 2:43 am


Originally Posted by Frindle (Post 25562209)
Isn't that a given since (in theory) award inventory is 100% of standard rooms, and P+C is x% of that?

From the Hyatt Gold Passport Terms and Conditions:


Hyatt Gold Passport Free Night Awards apply when standard rooms are available at the Hyatt Daily Rate. Standard rooms are defined by each hotel and are not subject to blackout dates. Hyatt Gold Passport Free Night Awards cannot be redeemed for packages.

Points + Cash awards are subject to availability and reservations using these awards must be made in advance by calling a Hyatt Global Contact Center. Member must pay the Points + Cash rate and redeem required point value to redeem award. Award is subject to maximum room capacity and based on standard guestroom accommodations, unless otherwise noted. Maximum room capacity may vary by hotel. Limited number of rooms may be allocated for these awards, and availability may vary by hotel. Points + Cash awards are not valid at Hyatt Zilara, Hyatt Ziva or M life resorts. Promotional blackout periods may apply due to seasonal periods or special events.
As you can see, the conditions of each are completely different. Nowhere does it say that P+C availability is dependent on HDR availability.

In the Venn Diagram of inventory, P+C may be a smaller circle than Award Stays, but it is not necessarily completely inside of the Award Stays circle..

MikeFromTokyo Oct 14, 2015 3:14 am

Come to think of it, during low occupancy periods it is possible that hotels would get more revenue from P+C than what they would get in compensation from GP on a standard award reservation. So it is conceivable that hotels would prefer to offer P+C.

But, as pointed out above, at least in theory all available standard rooms are supposed to be bookable on points. So, unless the hotel is doing something to manipulate that availability, P+C inventory would necessarily be a subset of standard award room inventory.

OsakaWino Oct 14, 2015 3:14 am


Originally Posted by hailstorm (Post 25562236)
In the Venn Diagram of inventory, P+C may be a smaller circle than Award Stays, but it is not necessarily completely inside of the Award Stays circle..

Not sure I follow your logic. As stated in the T&C, both are for "standard" rooms. Since all standard rooms are "supposed" to be available for all-pt award stays, would not the rooms available for P+C be a subset of the all-pt award availability?

hailstorm Oct 14, 2015 3:35 am


Originally Posted by MikeFromTokyo (Post 25562308)
But, as pointed out above, at least in theory all available standard rooms are supposed to be bookable on points.

If they're available at the Hyatt Daily Rate.

I know there's been a lot of chest thumping about the way things should be, but the fact remains that hotels are still not required to make all of the standard rooms available at the Hyatt Daily Rate. The T&C bear that out (apparently, the T&C still does matter, as my complaint about hotels offering DSU ineligible rates beared out)

MikeFromTokyo Oct 14, 2015 5:31 am


Originally Posted by hailstorm (Post 25562350)
If they're available at the Hyatt Daily Rate.

I know there's been a lot of chest thumping about the way things should be, but the fact remains that hotels are still not required to make all of the standard rooms available at the Hyatt Daily Rate. The T&C bear that out (apparently, the T&C still does matter, as my complaint about hotels offering DSU ineligible rates beared out)

Practically speaking I don't think it is likely that an hotel would go to the trouble of blocking award inventory and then turn around and make P+C available. But of course since the hotels are not even strictly bound to the T&C, ANY availability scenario is theoretically possible.


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