Jan 6, 2016, 2:55 pm
Last edit by: bhrubin
I have an upcoming stay and read the entire thread. I saw some common themes, and thought it would be useful to start a wiki. Please feel free to update or correct anything. I haven't stayed here, so the information is based on the contents of the thread:
- Diamond Suite Upgrades are NOT available at this property.
- Diamond members receive a complimentary full breakfast for up to 4 guests.
- The beds are very firm platform beds. I saw a few posts where a foam pad for the top of the bed was requested.
- Docked cruise ships that may obstruct the view from the Harbour view rooms.
- The hotel is 4 stories.
The concierge desk offers a weekly tour of the Rocks on Saturday.
Link that shows when cruise ships will be docked opposite the hotel:
https://www.portauthoritynsw.com.au/...ruise-schedule
Room Types and Floorplans:
https://www.scribd.com/document/3404...t-Sydney-Rooms
Expert Review posted in Luxury Forum: http://www.flyertalk.com/hotel-reviews/r-wonderful-park-hyatt-sydney-stay-and-city-harbor-view-with-a-few-caveats-1943
- Diamond Suite Upgrades are NOT available at this property.
- Diamond members receive a complimentary full breakfast for up to 4 guests.
- The beds are very firm platform beds. I saw a few posts where a foam pad for the top of the bed was requested.
- Docked cruise ships that may obstruct the view from the Harbour view rooms.
- The hotel is 4 stories.
The concierge desk offers a weekly tour of the Rocks on Saturday.
Link that shows when cruise ships will be docked opposite the hotel:
https://www.portauthoritynsw.com.au/...ruise-schedule
Room Types and Floorplans:
https://www.scribd.com/document/3404...t-Sydney-Rooms
Expert Review posted in Luxury Forum: http://www.flyertalk.com/hotel-reviews/r-wonderful-park-hyatt-sydney-stay-and-city-harbor-view-with-a-few-caveats-1943
Park Hyatt Sydney (Post-Reno) REVIEW - MASTER THREAD
Jun 10, 2017, 2:23 am
#1127
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Between AMS and BRU
Posts: 8,852
A bit of reality and the part where it is stated that the property determines what that best room is....
But there are 2 sides to this story, for the property you are just one of the many freeloaders that spends no money at their property and also (I'm guessing here) has never stayed before and will not do so again because they are simply spending their free credit card nights that required no effort to get. No money, no loyalty and no upside to giving you a better room... And you could have known that in advance here.
So yes, they could behave better but they have little incentive to do so.
But there are 2 sides to this story, for the property you are just one of the many freeloaders that spends no money at their property and also (I'm guessing here) has never stayed before and will not do so again because they are simply spending their free credit card nights that required no effort to get. No money, no loyalty and no upside to giving you a better room... And you could have known that in advance here.
So yes, they could behave better but they have little incentive to do so.
Last edited by RTW1; Jun 10, 2017 at 2:34 am
Jun 10, 2017, 4:35 am
#1128
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: SEA
Posts: 2,021
A bit of reality and the part where it is stated that the property determines what that best room is....
But there are 2 sides to this story, for the property you are just one of the many freeloaders that spends no money at their property and also (I'm guessing here) has never stayed before and will not do so again because they are simply spending their free credit card nights that required no effort to get. No money, no loyalty and no upside to giving you a better room... And you could have known that in advance here.
So yes, they could behave better but they have little incentive to do so.
But there are 2 sides to this story, for the property you are just one of the many freeloaders that spends no money at their property and also (I'm guessing here) has never stayed before and will not do so again because they are simply spending their free credit card nights that required no effort to get. No money, no loyalty and no upside to giving you a better room... And you could have known that in advance here.
So yes, they could behave better but they have little incentive to do so.
As a side note, the manager has been very friendly to us and invited us on a champagne cruise for the Vivid Festival. I honestly believe it was an honest mistake by the first staff.
They are making it right by upgrading us for our last two nights. They are definitely putting in effort to reward loyal Hyatt guests.
Last edited by Single_Flyer; Jun 10, 2017 at 4:41 am
Jun 10, 2017, 5:36 am
#1129
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Between AMS and BRU
Posts: 8,852
I was indeed exaggerating a bit....
But points of free night stays will (in most situations) get a property less revenue than they get for a paid stay. So I can see the point for a property as well not to encourage those stays.
And this is a property that has a weird upgrade policy, sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. But for only Expl status it would be realistic not to expect too much.
But points of free night stays will (in most situations) get a property less revenue than they get for a paid stay. So I can see the point for a property as well not to encourage those stays.
And this is a property that has a weird upgrade policy, sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. But for only Expl status it would be realistic not to expect too much.
Jun 10, 2017, 6:33 am
#1130
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: SYD
Programs: QF WP (OWE), VA PLAT, EY GLD, SPG PLAT, Hyatt DIA, Hilton DIA, Hertz PC
Posts: 8,527
I was indeed exaggerating a bit....
But points of free night stays will (in most situations) get a property less revenue than they get for a paid stay. So I can see the point for a property as well not to encourage those stays.
And this is a property that has a weird upgrade policy, sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. But for only Expl status it would be realistic not to expect too much.
But points of free night stays will (in most situations) get a property less revenue than they get for a paid stay. So I can see the point for a property as well not to encourage those stays.
And this is a property that has a weird upgrade policy, sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. But for only Expl status it would be realistic not to expect too much.
Jun 10, 2017, 9:06 am
#1131
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Midwest
Programs: Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 757
1. CC free night
2. C&P
3. All point
What reimbursed the hotel the most? I thought I read that it was the all point. It would be worthwhile to know, especial with stingy hotels such as this (in sharp contrast to PH Vienna which has always been very generous to me, irrespective to payment vehicle.
Jun 17, 2017, 9:48 am
#1133
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Houston, TX
Programs: UA, US, AA, Hyatt Platinum, Hilton Gold, & PC
Posts: 289
Have a stay next week and at this point I am doing a 3 night stay on P+C but really thinking about doing straight up points. I don't see $400AUD a night worth it to save 15,000 points. Especially with the 10% points back offer going on.
Any thoughts on this?
Any thoughts on this?
Jun 17, 2017, 10:00 am
#1134
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: PHX
Programs: AS 75K; UA 1MM; Hyatt Globalist; Marriott LTP; Hilton Diamond (Aspire)
Posts: 56,470
Yes, it's been reported that all points gets compensated highest, and if occupancy is over 90%, the rate is very close to the paid rate.
This is why you are much more likely to see pure award availability than C+P availability (and why some properties never offer C+P). The hotels get paid better for awards.
This is why you are much more likely to see pure award availability than C+P availability (and why some properties never offer C+P). The hotels get paid better for awards.
Jun 17, 2017, 11:06 am
#1135
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Between AMS and BRU
Posts: 8,852
Full points award are (or should) always be offered when there is a base room for sale, offering P+C is optional for a property.
Jun 17, 2017, 2:57 pm
#1136
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Sure it is. Think it all the way through. If properties were paid better on C+P than on points only, they would always offer C+P when there are awards available. They don't because they're paid less on C+P. (Which has been independently reported, btw.)
Jun 18, 2017, 3:46 am
#1137
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Between AMS and BRU
Posts: 8,852
Really, you cannot just make this stuff up. WOH and GP require full award availability when base rooms are for sale.... that's it.
Properties treat P+C like any other rate, mostly based on (expected) demand. When occupancy is low the cash part of this alone can be higher than a full award reimbursement. It's a totally different thing than a full award stay with other benefits as well.
Properties treat P+C like any other rate, mostly based on (expected) demand. When occupancy is low the cash part of this alone can be higher than a full award reimbursement. It's a totally different thing than a full award stay with other benefits as well.
Jun 18, 2017, 8:51 am
#1138
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I completely disagree. 99.9% of the time C+P is only offered if awards are offered (I've only ever seen one exception, a very odd situation with the Hyatt Place White House DC which appeared to be an error).
Jun 18, 2017, 2:55 pm
#1139
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Between AMS and BRU
Posts: 8,852
There's nothing to disagree on in my post, so stop with your false interpretations..... both full point awards and P+C are offered on base rooms. The first is mandatory when those are available the second optional to determined by revenue management for the property (just like any other rate type).
So there is no P+C without also the full award being available, it's the same base room.
Your suggestion that a property can offer P+C without a full award being available as well exists only in your mind (and no property is going to offer it for the more expensive rooms).
But maybe it's time for an actual review of the PH Sydney instead of this.....
So there is no P+C without also the full award being available, it's the same base room.
Your suggestion that a property can offer P+C without a full award being available as well exists only in your mind (and no property is going to offer it for the more expensive rooms).
But maybe it's time for an actual review of the PH Sydney instead of this.....
Jun 18, 2017, 7:09 pm
#1140
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: SEA
Posts: 2,021
There's nothing to disagree on in my post, so stop with your false interpretations..... both full point awards and P+C are offered on base rooms. The first is mandatory when those are available the second optional to determined by revenue management for the property (just like any other rate type).
So there is no P+C without also the full award being available, it's the same base room.
Your suggestion that a property can offer P+C without a full award being available as well exists only in your mind (and no property is going to offer it for the more expensive rooms).
But maybe it's time for an actual review of the PH Sydney instead of this.....
So there is no P+C without also the full award being available, it's the same base room.
Your suggestion that a property can offer P+C without a full award being available as well exists only in your mind (and no property is going to offer it for the more expensive rooms).
But maybe it's time for an actual review of the PH Sydney instead of this.....
