Apr 2, 2023, 5:01 pm
Last edit by: cblaisd
Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
Mar 21, 2017, 9:25 am
#1261
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,786
Mar 21, 2017, 10:54 pm
#1262
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: DFW
Programs: AA EXP, Marriott Amb
Posts: 32
I'm trying to book a trip to London this summer, and is is just me or are the prices now comedically high? And yes, I checked a random date in April too (the 4th through 7th) to make sure it wasn't just high season.
The freaking Doubletree West End is 143,000 per night? That's only 14K less than the Waldorf! And the boutique hotel Trafalger is a mere 93K per night. As for actual prices, the Doubletree is 296 , the Waldorf is 327, and the Trafalger is 246 GBP.
I was looking back in January and the Doubletrees in London were all in the 40-50K range.
Think they will settle back down or am I screwed?
The freaking Doubletree West End is 143,000 per night? That's only 14K less than the Waldorf! And the boutique hotel Trafalger is a mere 93K per night. As for actual prices, the Doubletree is 296 , the Waldorf is 327, and the Trafalger is 246 GBP.
I was looking back in January and the Doubletrees in London were all in the 40-50K range.
Think they will settle back down or am I screwed?
Last edited by TheJeff; Mar 21, 2017 at 10:57 pm Reason: added GBP rates
Mar 22, 2017, 12:25 am
#1263
Join Date: May 2009
Location: EUG
Programs: AS MVP, AA MM, HH Diamond, MR Gold
Posts: 8,220
I'm trying to book a trip to London this summer, and is is just me or are the prices now comedically high? And yes, I checked a random date in April too (the 4th through 7th) to make sure it wasn't just high season.
The freaking Doubletree West End is 143,000 per night? That's only 14K less than the Waldorf! And the boutique hotel Trafalger is a mere 93K per night. As for actual prices, the Doubletree is 296 , the Waldorf is 327, and the Trafalger is 246 GBP.
I was looking back in January and the Doubletrees in London were all in the 40-50K range.
Think they will settle back down or am I screwed?
The freaking Doubletree West End is 143,000 per night? That's only 14K less than the Waldorf! And the boutique hotel Trafalger is a mere 93K per night. As for actual prices, the Doubletree is 296 , the Waldorf is 327, and the Trafalger is 246 GBP.
I was looking back in January and the Doubletrees in London were all in the 40-50K range.
Think they will settle back down or am I screwed?
Mar 22, 2017, 2:57 am
#1264
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Somewhere in Europe
Posts: 3,362
I'm trying to book a trip to London this summer, and is is just me or are the prices now comedically high? And yes, I checked a random date in April too (the 4th through 7th) to make sure it wasn't just high season.
The freaking Doubletree West End is 143,000 per night? That's only 14K less than the Waldorf! And the boutique hotel Trafalger is a mere 93K per night. As for actual prices, the Doubletree is 296 , the Waldorf is 327, and the Trafalger is 246 GBP.
I was looking back in January and the Doubletrees in London were all in the 40-50K range.
Think they will settle back down or am I screwed?
The freaking Doubletree West End is 143,000 per night? That's only 14K less than the Waldorf! And the boutique hotel Trafalger is a mere 93K per night. As for actual prices, the Doubletree is 296 , the Waldorf is 327, and the Trafalger is 246 GBP.
I was looking back in January and the Doubletrees in London were all in the 40-50K range.
Think they will settle back down or am I screwed?
A quick look at the same days of the following week shows availability at DT West End at 60k a night for a standard room with cash rates of £259.
Good Friday is 14th April some schools will be off by those dates for the holidays which may also increase demand and increase rates.
There are bargains out there but with points now linked to the cash rate there are less of them at times when demand is higher such as during school holidays and in the run up to/around bank holidays.
Mar 22, 2017, 7:21 am
#1265
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,786
On all three of the hotels you mention for April there are no standard rooms available to book on cash or points, only premium rooms are available.
A quick look at the same days of the following week shows availability at DT West End at 60k a night for a standard room with cash rates of £259.
Good Friday is 14th April some schools will be off by those dates for the holidays which may also increase demand and increase rates.
There are bargains out there but with points now linked to the cash rate there are less of them at times when demand is higher such as during school holidays and in the run up to/around bank holidays.
A quick look at the same days of the following week shows availability at DT West End at 60k a night for a standard room with cash rates of £259.
Good Friday is 14th April some schools will be off by those dates for the holidays which may also increase demand and increase rates.
There are bargains out there but with points now linked to the cash rate there are less of them at times when demand is higher such as during school holidays and in the run up to/around bank holidays.
Mar 22, 2017, 7:58 am
#1266
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Somewhere in Europe
Posts: 3,362
Mar 22, 2017, 8:09 am
#1267
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: MCI
Programs: AA Gold 1MM, AS MVP, UA Silver, WN A-List, Marriott LT Titanium, HH Diamond
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London is about the last place on earth I would attempt to use my American-chain hotel points. Categories and paid rates are usually through the roof, and London is full of interesting small boutique hotels that can be had for 1/2 the price if not less. I've also done flat rentals in London when we needed room for 4+ people. (Booking.com, or I suppose these days, Airbnb)
London and Paris are two places where I take the Flyertalk-unpopular approach of ignoring the points game entirely.
Hilton just made it worse, but it was never great to begin with. 60k/nt for a basic Doubletree isn't the worst I suppose, but I'd still rather save my points for another day.
London and Paris are two places where I take the Flyertalk-unpopular approach of ignoring the points game entirely.
Hilton just made it worse, but it was never great to begin with. 60k/nt for a basic Doubletree isn't the worst I suppose, but I'd still rather save my points for another day.
Mar 22, 2017, 10:39 am
#1268
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,324
I'm trying to book a trip to London this summer, and is is just me or are the prices now comedically high? And yes, I checked a random date in April too (the 4th through 7th) to make sure it wasn't just high season.
The freaking Doubletree West End is 143,000 per night? That's only 14K less than the Waldorf! And the boutique hotel Trafalger is a mere 93K per night. As for actual prices, the Doubletree is 296 , the Waldorf is 327, and the Trafalger is 246 GBP.
I was looking back in January and the Doubletrees in London were all in the 40-50K range.
Think they will settle back down or am I screwed?
The freaking Doubletree West End is 143,000 per night? That's only 14K less than the Waldorf! And the boutique hotel Trafalger is a mere 93K per night. As for actual prices, the Doubletree is 296 , the Waldorf is 327, and the Trafalger is 246 GBP.
I was looking back in January and the Doubletrees in London were all in the 40-50K range.
Think they will settle back down or am I screwed?
Mar 22, 2017, 12:05 pm
#1269
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Somewhere in Europe
Posts: 3,362
Since room nights were 50,000 back in January that should be the maximum for booking this summer if a standard room type is available. Are you finding standard rooms for your dates? If yes and they are not 50,000 points call in and have them book it for you at 50,000 per night or explain why its 143,000 points per night.
On the dates provided the hotels listed have no standard rooms available on at least one night for the dates listed. Only premium rooms are available hence the 143k requirement.
From the example/s provided there is nothing untoward when the new policy is applied.
Mar 22, 2017, 12:19 pm
#1270
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: DFW
Programs: AA EXP, Marriott Amb
Posts: 32
Since room nights were 50,000 back in January that should be the maximum for booking this summer if a standard room type is available. Are you finding standard rooms for your dates? If yes and they are not 50,000 points call in and have them book it for you at 50,000 per night or explain why its 143,000 points per night.
Not sure if there is some weird option that I am inadvertently clicking when doing the Flexible Dates, but changing my basic query is well worth it.
While I'm here - anyone else hit that particular hotel and have an opinion on it?
Mar 22, 2017, 10:01 pm
#1271
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,763
OK, so I think we can call off the dogs on this one. If I search using the "Flexible Dates" option the rates come in ridiculously high, but if I request specific dates, everything is fine. Totally weird, but hey, I was able to get the DoubleTree Westminster for five nights starting July 7th for 48K per night so I'm happy.
Not sure if there is some weird option that I am inadvertently clicking when doing the Flexible Dates, but changing my basic query is well worth it.
While I'm here - anyone else hit that particular hotel and have an opinion on it?
Not sure if there is some weird option that I am inadvertently clicking when doing the Flexible Dates, but changing my basic query is well worth it.
While I'm here - anyone else hit that particular hotel and have an opinion on it?
Mar 23, 2017, 7:28 am
#1272
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 1,352
I just booked a night at the HGI Chicago North Loop for 50000 points that would have been $ 489 including taxes (all the Chicago hotels had rates approaching or surpassing $ 300 that particular day, the HGI was the cheapest with points).
Mar 23, 2017, 8:34 am
#1273
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I've never stayed at that particular HGI, but the HGI a few blocks north of there (Magnificent Mile) has become my favorite HH property in Chicago.
So much easier to deal with than the massive Hiltons and I'll take that Weber restaurant over a crowded lounge any day of the week. ^
So much easier to deal with than the massive Hiltons and I'll take that Weber restaurant over a crowded lounge any day of the week. ^
Mar 30, 2017, 9:08 pm
#1274
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Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 17,424
I guess we don't know how long "the cap" will last? I booked a Hampton Inn in a town that was having a "special event" for 20,000 points/night. The cheapest room rate was over $500!
It's worth having points just in case you run into a situation like this.
It's worth having points just in case you run into a situation like this.
Mar 31, 2017, 7:49 am
#1275
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Join Date: Nov 1999
Posts: 24,153
IMHO once enough hotels complain how they are losing out due to being capped, it wont be long till we are further enhanced and the caps are removed after all if there arent any Cats any longer then its not right to have caps will go the reasoning. And it will pretty much be a straight .005 per pt