Last edit by: cblaisd
Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
#1291
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B&S would be it shows say 20k and in reality not 1 of the nights is available for 20k and its 30k per night when you click to book. But if it shows 20k or 20k is the avg over all the nights one put in for the res , then I dont see it as B&S
#1292
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Sorry but you are wrong. I run into that when booking hotels on any site where if its for multi nights the rate I see ends up being the avg cost and not the per night cost per night eg I will see $75 say per night when staying 2 nights when in fact its $100 1 night and $50 the other
B&S would be it shows say 20k and in reality not 1 of the nights is available for 20k and its 30k per night when you click to book. But if it shows 20k or 20k is the avg over all the nights one put in for the res , then I dont see it as B&S
B&S would be it shows say 20k and in reality not 1 of the nights is available for 20k and its 30k per night when you click to book. But if it shows 20k or 20k is the avg over all the nights one put in for the res , then I dont see it as B&S
Anyway, in this case I think this is just an IT problem that is often misleading, I think I have seen it before in hotel reservations, it displays the first night only, not the average.
#1293
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When I was checking some hotels the other day, I noticed it would sometimes display one award price but then, when you clicked, it would have a different points price.
When booking a multiple night stay, the system also seems to sometimes only show you the points price for the first night, and you have to get to the confirmation page to see the additional night pricing.
None of this is good, of course.
When booking a multiple night stay, the system also seems to sometimes only show you the points price for the first night, and you have to get to the confirmation page to see the additional night pricing.
None of this is good, of course.
#1294
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No, bait and switch is a hotel program sells you points and gives you rewards at X value, and then it cuts the points value down. B&S, a time honored tradition in the travel industry...
Anyway, in this case I think this is just an IT problem that is often misleading, I think I have seen it before in hotel reservations, it displays the first night only, not the average.
Anyway, in this case I think this is just an IT problem that is often misleading, I think I have seen it before in hotel reservations, it displays the first night only, not the average.
Changes to earning or cashing out power isnt B&S unless said company pushes a program knowing 100% that they are going to change it and sap everyone. Since most folks know car,hotel and airline programs changes all the time its not B&S. It may not be nice but its not B&S.
If a person plays their cards right and get lucky the new system with HH can easily save them alot of pts, but its not every hotel everyday. eg Ive seen 1 of my reg places go for 21-19k when before 3/1 it was 30k, now it still may pay to use $$ but thats a very nice savings if a person wants to use pts
For the record Im not siding with HH and I would prefer the pre 3/1 system, but its not B&S
#1295
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Are you sure it's a 40,000 points per night property? If it's now a 50,000 points per night property (courtesy of the recent enhancement), then you are already seeing the discounted price.
Note that with 5th night free, you still see a charge for every night.
If you have any doubts about the points per night required, you could log out, clear cookies (I don't know if that matters, but it shouldn't hurt), and check the hotel without logging in.
Note that with 5th night free, you still see a charge for every night.
If you have any doubts about the points per night required, you could log out, clear cookies (I don't know if that matters, but it shouldn't hurt), and check the hotel without logging in.
I know the Grand Vacations Clubs aren't eligible for the 5th night free.
But the Hilton Hawaiian Village Waikiki Resort says (5th night free)
Regardless of whether I'm logged in or not, the Kalia Tower 1 King Bedroom Ocean View for 2/14/18-2/19/18 for 2 people shows 90,000/night. Total of 450,000. I'm pretty sure I did math and that's 5 nights, and 5x90k = 450,000, right?
Are Premium awards not eligible for 5th night free?
#1296
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In essence, it is B&S. Technically and legally it is not, but in essence, it is.
This is akin to lobbying and political campaign contributions. Technically and legally, it is not bribing, but in essence, we all know it is bribing.
This is akin to lobbying and political campaign contributions. Technically and legally, it is not bribing, but in essence, we all know it is bribing.
#1297
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#1299
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Since most likely each night by itself will have a different rate then how could you expect HH to hold by 1 amount of pts for every night, that is unless every night would workout to need more pts then its capped at, so then it should be the same amount of pts every night as long as its a standard room each night
The same can be said for paying ca$h, 1 night may be more or less$$ then the others, Marriott always made it known that as of x date the rate is higher or lower but the rate of your 1st night was the rate that showed as your main rate even thou it may not be every night of ones stay.
#1301
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Some interesting discussion in this blog about the "points cap." But nobody (including Hilton) seems to know how long it will last.
http://loyaltylobby.com/2017/04/05/h...-are-in-place/
http://loyaltylobby.com/2017/04/05/h...-are-in-place/
#1302
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: LAS ORD
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Some interesting discussion in this blog about the "points cap." But nobody (including Hilton) seems to know how long it will last.
http://loyaltylobby.com/2017/04/05/h...-are-in-place/
http://loyaltylobby.com/2017/04/05/h...-are-in-place/
Definitely rethinking my HH loyalty...
#1303
Join Date: Feb 2014
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Nothing wrong with stating 'at this time'. If you think Marriott and SPG's reward offerings are set in stone forever, you're going to be very disappointed at a later time.
#1304
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HHonors, on the other hand, has had at least 2 (or is it 3?) major structural overhauls in the past decade. Entire awards that I used to book regularly are completely gone. That's why "at this time" is especially anxiety-inducing with Hilton. It feels like they move the goalposts in this program a LOT....more than just the gradual annual Category Creep that all programs are known to drop on their members.
It doesn't necessarily kill off my desire to stay at Hilton, but it does make me reevaluate how much I find the stays worth, relative to nearby Marriott competitors where I hold a similar status.
(Obviously 2017 is a unique case for MR and SPG. I'll enter 2018 with a modest balance of SPG, expecting a hybrid program that is slightly less rewarding than either of them are today. I definitely wouldn't advise anyone to stockpile there thinking 2018 will suddenly get *more* rewarding.)
#1305
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