Apr 2, 2023, 5:01 pm
Last edit by: cblaisd
Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
Mar 13, 2018, 2:01 pm
#1336
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Exactly my point. OK, so you get notice... the points are still devalued. The properties still get more expensive in points. Notice is only useful if you can lock in stays months in advance. It's better than nothing but it at best represents a few months of grace if you can make it work.
Mar 13, 2018, 2:26 pm
#1337
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Have used several of the New Mexico 10K properties several times.
Mar 13, 2018, 4:58 pm
#1338
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Mar 13, 2018, 6:48 pm
#1340
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LOL, sure.
Huge Devaluation - Marriott Announces 2018 Category Changes - Frequent Miler
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...h-devaluation/
Shame on Hyatt for Latest Petty Stunt - Live and Let's Fly
https://thepointsguy.com/2018/01/ihg...-changes-2018/
Do what you have to do, inly you can judge what works for you and what doesn't, but I find the idea that Hilton's unique in devaluing their program to be pretty risible.
Huge Devaluation - Marriott Announces 2018 Category Changes - Frequent Miler
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...h-devaluation/
Shame on Hyatt for Latest Petty Stunt - Live and Let's Fly
https://thepointsguy.com/2018/01/ihg...-changes-2018/
Do what you have to do, inly you can judge what works for you and what doesn't, but I find the idea that Hilton's unique in devaluing their program to be pretty risible.
Mar 13, 2018, 7:03 pm
#1341
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you cannot possibly compare what hilton does to points vs spg or hyatt. The latter two probably maintained the same value over the last few years with very few adjustments (the linked bloody murder scream by a blogger over 2 - two! - properties going up is indicative of how unusual that is)... Hilton on the other hand seems to devalue at 10% annual rate.. we went from being 1c pt just a few years back to less than half cent/pt...
But again, my point of the Hilton silent devaluation is cutting off 5K properties without saying a word about it is a very bad practice.
Mar 13, 2018, 7:48 pm
#1343
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Hilton points are being continuously devalued, as I am reminded every time I try to use them.
It's like Weimar Germany. Can the 1 million point AMEX sign-up bonus be far off?
It's like Weimar Germany. Can the 1 million point AMEX sign-up bonus be far off?
Mar 13, 2018, 8:39 pm
#1344
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"Reward nights at Hampton by Hilton Minsk City Centre in Belarus, DoubleTree by Hilton Melaka in Malaysia, DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Ningbo - Chunxiao and Hilton Garden Inn Foshan in China, and Hilton Alexandria Corniche and Hilton Alexandria Green Plaza in Egypt have gone up from 5,000 to 10,000 points per night
Also, Hampton by Hilton Swinoujscie, Poland has gone from a maximum of 10,000 points per night to 15,000 points. Previously Category 2 was fixed at 10,000 points, while Category 3 was fixed at 20,000 points.
Standard room rewards at a number of properties in Russia have doubled from 5,000 points/night to 10,000 points/night:
- Hampton by Hilton Nizhny Novgorod
- Hampton by Hilton Samara
- Hilton Garden Inn Ulyanovsk
- Hilton Garden Inn Volgograd
- Hilton Salalah Resort, Oman
- Hampton by Hilton Krakow, Poland
- Hampton Inn Columbus Airport, USA - from 5K to 27-30K for Standard
Keep in mind that Hilton devalues them in batches, so what is 10K today, might be much higher tomorrow.
Mar 13, 2018, 8:40 pm
#1345
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You can find such a wiki in the Announcing Four New Hilton Honors Perks thread.
Mar 13, 2018, 8:44 pm
#1346
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Standard room rewards at a number of properties in Russia have doubled from 5,000 points/night to 10,000 points/night:
- Hampton by Hilton Krakow, Poland
Are there any properties that we can say with certainty actually increased award rates last night or is this just another thread for an ongoing trend?
Mar 13, 2018, 8:48 pm
#1347
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I'm certain that the Krakow property went up some time ago and several of the other properties listed also appear to have been raised a while ago.
Are there any properties that we can say with certainty actually increased award rates last night or is this just another thread for an ongoing trend?
Are there any properties that we can say with certainty actually increased award rates last night or is this just another thread for an ongoing trend?
Mar 13, 2018, 10:41 pm
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Sorry to hear about your loss. What are the cash rates you have historically seem at these 5,000 point properties? Using a value of $.005/pt you've been getting a room for $25 USD.
I'll still primarily stay with my strategy of using point redemptions for 5th night free stays. Have one upcoming in at the Tampa Hampton Inn & Suites that is for 5 nights and the points cost me $600. The other thing I like about point redemptions is that you avoid the 13+% room taxes.
I'll still primarily stay with my strategy of using point redemptions for 5th night free stays. Have one upcoming in at the Tampa Hampton Inn & Suites that is for 5 nights and the points cost me $600. The other thing I like about point redemptions is that you avoid the 13+% room taxes.
Last edited by philemer; Mar 13, 2018 at 10:46 pm
Mar 13, 2018, 10:57 pm
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Okay. So some hotels jumped up in January and an entirely separate batch appear to have jumped up together in the last week.
Mar 14, 2018, 12:20 am
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Who owns SPG now? Oh yeah, that company that just devalued your points at 1,082 properties (I helpfully linked to it) and that's going to kill of the SPG program once and for all at some point relatively soon.
But hey, if you're getting great value out of Marriott, IHG, Hyatt or whatever, go for it, the programs aren't looking out for your interest, only you can do that. If you want to ditch Hilton for another program, be my guest. If you want to seriously argue that SPG is a good long term proposition... well.... okaaaay. If you think Hilton's some unique proprietor of evil, I submit you're not paying attention.
But hey, if you're getting great value out of Marriott, IHG, Hyatt or whatever, go for it, the programs aren't looking out for your interest, only you can do that. If you want to ditch Hilton for another program, be my guest. If you want to seriously argue that SPG is a good long term proposition... well.... okaaaay. If you think Hilton's some unique proprietor of evil, I submit you're not paying attention.
Last edited by eponymous_coward; Mar 14, 2018 at 12:26 am