Apr 2, 2023, 5:01 pm
Last edit by: cblaisd
Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
Mar 13, 2018, 8:30 am
#1321
Join Date: Jul 2015
Programs: HH Diamond, HGVC, WN RR, National Exec, Avis Preferred
Posts: 1,057
Sorry to hear about your loss. What are the cash rates you have historically seem at these 5,000 point properties? Using a value of $.005/pt you've been getting a room for $25 USD.
I'll still primarily stay with my strategy of using point redemptions for 5th night free stays. Have one upcoming in at the Tampa Hampton Inn & Suites that is for 5 nights and the points cost me $600. The other thing I like about point redemptions is that you avoid the 13+% room taxes.
I'll still primarily stay with my strategy of using point redemptions for 5th night free stays. Have one upcoming in at the Tampa Hampton Inn & Suites that is for 5 nights and the points cost me $600. The other thing I like about point redemptions is that you avoid the 13+% room taxes.
Mar 13, 2018, 8:37 am
#1323
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 1,018
Sorry to hear about your loss. What are the cash rates you have historically seem at these 5,000 point properties? Using a value of $.005/pt you've been getting a room for $25 USD.
I'll still primarily stay with my strategy of using point redemptions for 5th night free stays. Have one upcoming in at the Tampa Hampton Inn & Suites that is for 5 nights and the points cost me $600. The other thing I like about point redemptions is that you avoid the 13+% room taxes.
I'll still primarily stay with my strategy of using point redemptions for 5th night free stays. Have one upcoming in at the Tampa Hampton Inn & Suites that is for 5 nights and the points cost me $600. The other thing I like about point redemptions is that you avoid the 13+% room taxes.
I see some other people were taken by surprise when they saw that there is no more 5K, yet Hilton didn`t bother to announce that they were devaluing their program once again. Sneaky!
They are gone - 61 out of 65. And quite a few doubled from 10K.
Last edited by Canarsie; Mar 15, 2018 at 6:03 pm Reason: Consolidation.
Mar 13, 2018, 8:55 am
#1325
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: BG
Programs: BAEC Silver, TK Elite, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 827
Not sure where you are searching, but In addition to IST, my quick search found Bali Airport, Hurgahda, Lasi and Sighisora (Romania) and Sharm El Sheikh still at 5K... Not saying there isnt a devaluation happening and that properties aren't increasing the points needed, but 5K properties aren't completely gone
Mar 13, 2018, 10:11 am
#1326
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Huntsville, AL
Programs: DL DM 1.929MM, Hilton Lifetime Diamond, IHG Platinum, Avis CHM, Marriott Titanium (lifetime gold)
Posts: 7,860
I still see a couple of 10K properties.
Mar 13, 2018, 10:14 am
#1327
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 1,018
Not sure where you are searching, but In addition to IST, my quick search found Bali Airport, Hurgahda, Lasi and Sighisora (Romania) and Sharm El Sheikh still at 5K... Not saying there isnt a devaluation happening and that properties aren't increasing the points needed, but 5K properties aren't completely gone
Mar 13, 2018, 11:42 am
#1329
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: PHX, SEA
Programs: Avis President's Club, Global Entry, Hilton/Marriott Gold. No more DL/AA status.
Posts: 4,422
So is this how they compensate and pay for the new Amex cards with 7x/12x/14x points on properties? I don't pay much attention to HHonors to be honest, but they aren't encouraging me to change my mind.
Mar 13, 2018, 11:50 am
#1330
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 1,018
As a Diamond (by stays), I am about to close AmEx Hilton annual fee cards - considering how often Hilton devalues its loyalty program, there are much better values elsewhere.
Mar 13, 2018, 1:21 pm
#1331
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,395
LOL, sure.
Huge Devaluation - Marriott Announces 2018 Category Changes - Frequent Miler
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...h-devaluation/
Shame on Hyatt for Latest Petty Stunt - Live and Let's Fly
https://thepointsguy.com/2018/01/ihg...-changes-2018/
Do what you have to do, inly you can judge what works for you and what doesn't, but I find the idea that Hilton's unique in devaluing their program to be pretty risible.
Huge Devaluation - Marriott Announces 2018 Category Changes - Frequent Miler
1,082 properties are moving up a category while only 247 properties are moving down.
Shame on Hyatt for Latest Petty Stunt - Live and Let's Fly
https://thepointsguy.com/2018/01/ihg...-changes-2018/
499 hotels are increasing in price by 5,000-10,000 points each, and 192 properties will be going down by 5,000 points per night. While IHG is still a huge company with more than 5,000 properties in its portfolio, the 499 properties increasing in price account for 10% of its worldwide offering.
Mar 13, 2018, 1:26 pm
#1332
Join Date: Jul 2012
Programs: HH D
Posts: 1,641
Mar 13, 2018, 1:29 pm
#1333
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 1,018
LOL, sure.
Huge Devaluation - Marriott Announces 2018 Category Changes - Frequent Miler
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...h-devaluation/
Shame on Hyatt for Latest Petty Stunt - Live and Let's Fly
https://thepointsguy.com/2018/01/ihg...-changes-2018/
Do what you have to do, inly you can judge what works for you and what doesn't, but I find the idea that Hilton's unique in devaluing their program to be pretty risible.
Huge Devaluation - Marriott Announces 2018 Category Changes - Frequent Miler
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...h-devaluation/
Shame on Hyatt for Latest Petty Stunt - Live and Let's Fly
https://thepointsguy.com/2018/01/ihg...-changes-2018/
Do what you have to do, inly you can judge what works for you and what doesn't, but I find the idea that Hilton's unique in devaluing their program to be pretty risible.
Mar 13, 2018, 1:31 pm
#1334
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 1,018
Mar 13, 2018, 1:51 pm
#1335
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,395
Exactly my point. OK, so you get notice... the points are still devalued. The properties still get more expensive in points. Notice is only useful if you can lock in stays months in advance. It's better than nothing but it at best represents a few months of grace if you can make it work.
IHG devalued properties I stayed at in 2017 for 2018 (ones that would be useful to stay at). Yeah, I got a couple weeks notice. BFD. Still devalues the program for me (and I'd been willing to accrue in IHG), and now the PointBreaks properties are 5k-15k, not just 5k. I don't really see anywhere to run to- they're all running their loyalty programs the same way Zimbabwe or Venezuela manages their currency. If you can find something better for your stay patterns and better value, good for you. But I don't trust Marriott, IHG, etc. any more than Hilton.
IHG devalued properties I stayed at in 2017 for 2018 (ones that would be useful to stay at). Yeah, I got a couple weeks notice. BFD. Still devalues the program for me (and I'd been willing to accrue in IHG), and now the PointBreaks properties are 5k-15k, not just 5k. I don't really see anywhere to run to- they're all running their loyalty programs the same way Zimbabwe or Venezuela manages their currency. If you can find something better for your stay patterns and better value, good for you. But I don't trust Marriott, IHG, etc. any more than Hilton.