JNelson113

Excellent point. There are many, many people who will not fly until there is a vaccine. If he allows people to visit again without quarantine it seems more likely to be a small trickle than a huge gush.

dhuey

Yes, I think you misread my post. We would consider it if (only if) they allow outdoor exercise. It�s a shame they don�t allow that because it would pose virtually no risk for anyone.

escapefromphl

I don't think anyone actually just stays in their room, that would be torture to go to Hawaii and spend 2 weeks locked up.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/...lf-quarantine/

nomad420

I have a home and office in Hawaii (Kona) and unfortunately left just 48 hrs prior to setting the quarantine on the Islands. I knew it was coming but had to leave the islands briefly for family issues. While I tried to get back prior to setting the quarantine I could not make it within the given short time period. Prior to the quarantine the "Corona situation" was basically not an issue for those that lived there. My beach was open, shopping was easy, plenty of take-out available, and surfing/golf/ and even some tennis courts were open. So now if I return I have a strict two week quarantine which some said you can't even get food delivered to your home, this must be a mistake as you would then basically starve to death under quarantine. I am not willing to do that at this point and basically waiting in SF for the quarantine to be lifted and I will be on the first plane out! Originally the "rumor" was May 1 now it seems to be more like June 1, this is killing me in so many ways. If this isn't lifted soon my Hawaii operation will be out of business and will have close shop at a horrific financial loss to me after running a successful business for now 12 years in Hawaii.

ksucats

Hopefully they lift it on June 1 for you. This lockdown is killing many businesses nationwide. I can see how a mandatory 14 day quarantine makes it even worse than what other states are suffering. I don't see how any governors can support this lockdown any longer. We can't afford to lose any more businesses and the loss of revenue will bankrupt state and local governments.

dhuey

I agree. But it doesn't sound like torture to me if I could spend all of my time in one of two places: a Wailea condo or outside (that's the draw for Maui). In all of my times in Maui, I can't recall being in a crowded outside anywhere. It would be very easy to stay far away from everyone else, and I'd be fine with grocery and restaurant delivery.

747FC

Correct. I lost sight of that. Thanks.

dhuey

That's what Germany discovered when they reopened retail stores. There was enormous controversy over the decision, but once they reopened, they discovered that very few Germans were pining to get back in the shops.

Opening the door doesn't mean anyone will enter.

dhuey

The best argument against opening things up for someone like me is that I might say that I'm willing not to show up indoors anywhere except my condo, but I might not really mean it. The missed opportunity here is that I do really mean it. Here in Berkeley, I can legally go to grocery stores, restaurants for pickup, pharmacies, and some other places, but I haven't been doing that for over a month. It's been all delivery. My wife and I would love to do the same thing we've been doing since March, but over at the Wailea Beach Villas.

azepine00

This whole setup is more of a deterrent to masses... "lock yourself in the room" is completely nonsensical - once probably risks virus spread via hotel air ducts faster than by walking outside away from crowded areas..
if i had a failing business or own place there or just plenty of time with no ties to present location i'd just go and sort out... ymmv of course

Boraxo

I'd be fine with food delivery, but the idiotic closure of beaches and pools is a deal-killer. Even CA has opened most beaches now (with potentially much larger crowds), and golf courses.

JNelson113

I'm so sorry. I'm a business owner too so I get it. I hope that you are able to get back ASAP.

nomad420

Well that is exactly what I am mulling over now. Do I go and just bite the quarantine bullet or wait it out. Unfortunately going there under the current quarantine situation doesn't help my business that much (admittedly some) as I can only do so much from my computere at home in Hawaii. If nothing happens next week I may just head over and see what goes. I don't know of any of the detail as to what happens when you arrive at KOA. Are you immediately stopped and basically taken into custody? I don't live far from KOA so hopefully they will just let me get home and hang out if need be. The whole situation is a mess and in retrospect I should have never left.

escapefromphl

You may mean it, but self enforcement is just not going to work. The issue is that some who will be willing to travel initially are going to be pandemic deniers and may not practice proper social distancing and may not even get tested if they have mild symptoms. Some people are just that hard headed. Any removal of the 14 day quarantine before the mainland is down to a handful of cases per day is with going to cause a spike in cases in Hawaii.

dhuey

Yeah, I get that. Still, I think there are big differences in particular Hawaiian tourism spots. Wailea and Kihei almost never have crowds, and there isn't much in the way of nightlife. It wouldn't be hard to prevent social distancing problems where they might come up, like Wailea Beach. Lahaina, Kaanapali, and Kona town present more concerns, and of course Waikiki is the big one.