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Old Jan 23, 2019, 9:42 am
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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Old May 8, 2022, 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by TravelExperience
Thank you for the advice and input.

Yeah both are not ITNs where turnaround is done within a few hours. This is my first trip to the US (ever), first trip to either airport and will be my first long haul trip since early 2020 (been stuck since covid) so I am more than a bit nervous and I actually would not have contemplated these trip at all if not for the triple tier and award points offer. I did try to search for trips with say 12 hours turnaround between departure and arrival but couldn't find any for the US.

The primary reason for me exploring options to NOT leave the airports is I don't know how congested things get, referring to i) traffic to get to the airports, ii) queue getting in, checking in, and iii) security and immigration. Have read stories of security queues up to 4 hours or so at LAX, which is another reason why I am looking at DFW or JFK and not LAX

I'll take your advice and book hotels for the trips. Thank you again and owe you a drink whenever we cross paths
All terminals at LAX (except T1 used by Southwest) are connected airside, so you can always walk landside and use a different checkpoint. The ground floor of TBIT has a security meant for transit pax, but it can be used by any departing passenger and there's rarely a wait.
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Old May 8, 2022, 9:44 am
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It looks like AY does only fly in cheap price segments from BER to JFK in November. Am I mistaken?

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Old May 8, 2022, 10:07 am
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Originally Posted by Carotthat
It looks like AY does only fly from BER to JFK in November. Am I mistaken?

AY is not flying from BER to JFK.
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Old May 8, 2022, 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
AY is not flying from BER to JFK.
Unless you bounce via Helsinki.
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Old May 8, 2022, 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by miamiflyer8
Unless you bounce via Helsinki.
Yes. or via Arlanda.
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Old May 8, 2022, 10:25 am
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Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
I’d say 3hrs before your flight is very, very safe cushion to arrive at the airport. One would most likely make the flights even if flying Y w/o status with 1,5-2hrs.

But as you have lounge access the lounges are quite nice (for US, especially) at both airports so 2-3hrs goes fast so arriving early is good choice&stress free

3 hours…got it, will probably aim to set out to the airports 5 hours before departure (plan to stay reasonably nearby) to play it safe.

thank you again. Really Appreciate your advice, the US is beginning to sound less and less scary for a mileage run …

I’m beginning to feel the itch to make it 4x mileage runs…2 before the current tracking period ends and 2 after the new tracking period starts for Lumo two years in a row
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Old May 8, 2022, 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by miamiflyer8
All terminals at LAX (except T1 used by Southwest) are connected airside, so you can always walk landside and use a different checkpoint. The ground floor of TBIT has a security meant for transit pax, but it can be used by any departing passenger and there's rarely a wait.
sorry is what is TBIT ?
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Old May 8, 2022, 10:28 am
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Originally Posted by TravelExperience
sorry is what is TBIT ?
TBIT terminal at LAX. Tom Bradley International Terminal.
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Old May 8, 2022, 10:32 am
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Originally Posted by TravelExperience
sorry is what is TBIT ?
Sorry, should've been clearer. florens explained it below. I agree it is an confusing acronym since all LAX terminals have a number whereas TBIT uses a name. The terminal in question handles most INTL flights including AY.

Originally Posted by florens
TBIT terminal at LAX. Tom Bradley International Terminal.
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Old May 8, 2022, 10:35 am
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Originally Posted by florens
TBIT terminal at LAX. Tom Bradley International Terminal.

thank you so much
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Old May 8, 2022, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by miamiflyer8
Sorry, should've been clearer. florens explained it below. I agree it is an confusing acronym since all LAX terminals have a number whereas TBIT uses a name. The terminal in question handles most INTL flights including AY.

okay so if I do a run at LAX, AY will be flying out of TBIT ?

and there is a on the ground floor of TBIT a security lane for transit passengers which has a better chance of being clear ?

okay will research that….sorry if I can, could I ask one more question. For LAX, any idea if the road to the airport gets congested ?

if I do the run at LAX, I will probably stay nearby the Santa Monica area (but am open to other suggestions) so would you reckon heading out 5 hours ahead is safe ?
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LA traffic can be bad yes.
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Old May 8, 2022, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by florens
LA traffic can be bad yes.

okay thanks…time to do more research
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Old May 8, 2022, 10:51 am
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Originally Posted by florens
LA traffic can be bad yes.

okay thanks…time to do more research…

just curious…any forum members here familiar with Chicago and how its airport congestion rates
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Old May 8, 2022, 11:03 am
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Originally Posted by TravelExperience
okay thanks…time to do more research…

just curious…any forum members here familiar with Chicago and how its airport congestion rates
ORD as a airport experience SUCKS BIG TIME

Especially lounge wise
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