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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Ahoy, mileage runners! (Incl. immediate turnarounds)

Old Jan 16, 23, 7:32 am
  #2476  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Originally Posted by a_k
So, if I ask CS to book me an idiot trip HEL-FRA-HEL-JFK-HEL-FRA-HEL, it should be cheaper than just HEL-JFK-HEL?
Probably not. Cheap fares are from Germany to US.
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Old Jan 16, 23, 7:56 am
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Originally Posted by a_k
So, if I ask CS to book me an idiot trip HEL-FRA-HEL-JFK-HEL-FRA-HEL, it should be cheaper than just HEL-JFK-HEL?
Not on one ticket. But you would not be the first one to nest tickets and save money while earning more points. No need at all for CS to book this.

You only need to decide if it is worth the opportunity cost. But that‘s why people doing this are called idiots.
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Old Jan 16, 23, 7:59 am
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Originally Posted by a_k
I didn't mean that it was an AY thing, just in general





So, if I ask CS to book me an idiot trip HEL-FRA-HEL-JFK-HEL-FRA-HEL, it should be cheaper than just HEL-JFK-HEL?
These things one searches and learns here, and not calling CS.
😁👍🎯
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Old Jan 16, 23, 8:00 am
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Old Jan 16, 23, 8:06 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
Just read again rule #1.

Rule#1:
Never try to figure out airline pricing with a human brain.
On my last MR the CBP agent asked about the price of my ticket.

My honest answer was around 100$ plus FFP points and that this travel will give me EBG and that the benefit is e.g. complimentary lounge access.

He replied that he will never understand the airlines pricing. 😂
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Old Jan 16, 23, 8:26 am
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Originally Posted by Jainzar
On my last MR the CBP agent asked about the price of my ticket.

My honest answer was around 100$ plus FFP points and that this travel will give me EBG and that the benefit is e.g. complimentary lounge access.

He replied that he will never understand the airlines pricing. 😂
Hahaha.
but what is CBP
and curious why the agent was asking your price🧐
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Old Jan 16, 23, 8:55 am
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Originally Posted by FFlash
Hahaha.
but what is CBP
and curious why the agent was asking your price🧐
CBP = US customs and border protection

Maybe he wanted to determine the idiotity level. I was surprised that he specifically asked about the benefits of the status.

I had once before the price question actually at the same airport.
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Old Jan 17, 23, 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by Jainzar
CBP = US customs and border protection

Maybe he wanted to determine the idiotity level. I was surprised that he specifically asked about the benefits of the status.

I had once before the price question actually at the same airport.
Was it JFK? It's a good question because a true idiot can tell the price off the top of their heads with s .... eating grin. Someone merely posing as an idiot might stumble on the question.
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Old Jan 23, 23, 7:16 am
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For mileage hphp-idiots more segment and more cheap tier points:









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Old Jan 23, 23, 1:21 pm
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I am considering a TLL-TMP for some missing points run. Late night bus seems to not show a stop at the bus station at Tampere, only at the airport which is practically in the middle of nowhere. Does anyone know if there is actually a possibility of exiting the bus at the bus station, or is TMP the only option?
Edit: Bus driver asked if anyone was interested in actually going to TMP vs the bus station. Nobody was, so straight to the bus station we headed.

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Old Jan 24, 23, 3:47 am
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I cannot tell from experience for TMP but the night bus to TKU ends at XTZ, i.e. Turku bus station.

I would assume it works the same way for TMP.
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Old Jan 24, 23, 4:12 am
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I am trying to combine FRA-HEL-TKU with TKU-HEL-DXB and same day return. Works fine with 265 in eco to TKU and 1305 for the long haul (tip of the hat to OH-LGG).
But on the return I have like 17h to spend in Vantaa, till the flight to TKU. TKU to FRA and vice verse is a fu** red eye with 5,5h at the airport.
Any ideas?

Interestingly Google flights shows the flights, but AY does not.
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Old Jan 24, 23, 4:38 am
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Originally Posted by Carotthat
But on the return I have like 17h to spend in Vantaa, till the flight to TKU. TKU to FRA and vice verse is a fu** red eye with 5,5h at the airport.
Any ideas?
There is a 12h cap in the online booking system. Call or book somewhere else.

Multi-city can be a workaround. I am not sure about the new multi-city booking, but the old one didnt allow J bookings if one route was Y-only.
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Old Jan 28, 23, 7:00 am
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Is a direct turnaround possible in DXB? Arriving at 22:50, leaving at 00:35?
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Old Jan 28, 23, 7:11 am
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Originally Posted by Carotthat
Is a direct turnaround possible in DXB? Arriving at 22:50, leaving at 00:35?
Yes. The inbound flight is well-padded and frequently seems to land early. Even if it didn't, you will have plenty of time. However, you would need to get the BP at HEL. Shouldn't be an issue. (OLCI ex-DXB is not possible. Don't know about transfer desks.)
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