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Ahoy, mileage runners! (Incl. immediate turnarounds)

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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ALC: ?
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: ? (Some rotations overnight at BCN.)
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: ?
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: ?
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: ?
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: ?
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: ?
KTT: ?
KUF: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
KZN: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
LED: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: ? (AY rotations tend to overnight at MAD.)
MAH: ?
MAN: ? (Security check required for sure.)
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Intermediate / Risky (Anything is possible: Arrivals may pour directly to departure gate or you might need to go through transfer security, depending on the arrival gate. If one ends up with a remote stand, pax are bussed to baggage claim.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
STR: ?
SVO: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
SVX: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TKU: Intermediate (You exit plane on tarmac and walk into terminal, through baggage claim and upstairs again to security which is always open unless weird things happen. Boarding never starts before incoming plane is clearly empty.)
TMP: ?
TOS: ?
TXL: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check at departure gate.)
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: ?
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Old Dec 30, 14, 1:48 pm
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Ahoy, mileage runners! (Incl. immediate turnarounds)

I'm very much pondering a mileage run to reach AY+ Silver, as it is easy to achieve and has relatively good benefits (the lounge perk is the most important for me).

I'm asking you, senior mileage runners, what is the cheapest and the smartest way to reach 40 000 tier points or 24 segments? I've thought about flying 12 times to Stockholm and back, but is there a better way?
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Old Dec 30, 14, 1:57 pm
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HEL-SIN-NRT-HEL in C will net you 40k points (SIN-NRT on JL) - doable in 48 hours. Way more pleasant than 12x HEL-ARN return.

But I wouldn't spend the neccessary 2-3k just to reach AY silver.
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Old Dec 30, 14, 2:33 pm
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Paging OH-LGG... Cheapest depends on the sales going on at the moment etc. I haven't looked at the newest sale, for example. Usually long-haul C is the way to go, but it really depends on pricing.
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Old Dec 30, 14, 2:42 pm
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Originally Posted by SPBanker View Post
Paging OH-LGG...


I'm looking forward to this thread. I just realized how little I know about AY+ points accrual. Looking at OH-LGG's past achievements, it's either segments or highly optimized Pro / J tickets.
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Old Dec 30, 14, 3:25 pm
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Last time I reach AY Plat was through segments and it was hard work but statute to OH-LGG statue, hey!!

HEL-OUL/ARN will be the best I would dare to say, for availability/scheduling, length comfort, possible IRROPS and price (due to competition)

I would choose ARN at least with some layover to go to city or for the lounge access ( if you have) which you don't have in Oulu.

Good luck for you brave!
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Old Dec 30, 14, 3:43 pm
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Or if AY lounge access is important DC premium will get you AY club membership with lounge access for you and guest for less or AA platinum challenge for a year atleast
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Old Dec 30, 14, 3:47 pm
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Now that I started thinking, I propose some ideas (not tested, I have taken only 1 real MR in my life to reach my status):

#1
Try booking HEL-XXX//"stopover"//XXX-HEL and between the "stopover" a XXX-HEL-ARN-HEL-XXX and then back to HEL (or swap <>ARN). This could be the cheapest way to earn segments, since sometimes the connecting legs from HEL add on total price less than a comparable single journey

#2
Most probably you need to do "cross-ticketing", since AY tickets have the 3 day minimum rule between to get the cheapest fare

#3
Consider buying trips at Stockmann Crazy Days or other similar, where the availability is good, but cheaper prices for same tickets. You will only lose mileage earnings, but you will gain the legs anyhow.

All in all, I think it will be cheapest to run legs and not points if budget is the differentiator.
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Old Dec 30, 14, 4:06 pm
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OK, I think I have it covered. As it turns out the cheapest way to reach AY+ Silver is to fly... *drumroll* another airline. All booking classes for AA and US now earn 100% mileage (kilometreage?). To reach silver, you'll need 40000km.

In e.g. February, you can buy an AA-ticketed trip to SFO for 653€ like so:
- HEL-JFK-SFO (~10750km)
- SFO-LHR-HEL (~10460km)

or, alternatively, to HNL for 940€:
- HEL-JFK-LAX-HNL (~14680km)
- HNL-PHX-JFK-HEL (~14740km)

You can therefore hit AY Silver by doing 2 SFO runs (I searched for 0-2 nts) for a total price of 1306€. You can slash off a few hundred by positioning to a Scandinavian airport.
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Oh, nice topic we have here!

I made AYPlat twice with HEL-ARN-HEL -legs. But those tickets were 69€/690 SEK return so it was much cheaper than it would be now.
Now fares to ARN are about 100€/900SEK and I have changed my strategy and MR's to DEL are now best option for me. No visa, no hotels and smooth 4 hours "stopover" in DEL.
If going to SFO You need hotels, You need taxi, You need food and so on and all that makes Your MR more expensive.

If I was AY Basic now and starting from 0 points without status I would take 1 return from EU (no Finland) to Delhi in C.

Best deals for MR were available about 2-3 weeks ago when AY prices ex-Russia were cheap due to RUB collapse. Return to CKG was 868€ (in C) until AY realised that RUB -value should be raised and they did it.
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Hey OH-LGG, why don't you go back out on the beach? It is not healthy to sit inside today!!!

EU-DEL in J have been spotted for as low as 899. However, they implemented the LGG-rule (ie a 6 day minimum) so not useful for running.
Anyway, one longhaul India does not earn enough for silver (38k), it has to be EU-Japan/HKG/SIN (42k).



BTW, CKG has now implemented the 3-day transit visa on arrival, so it is possible to go there without getting Chinese visa. However, no other OW airlines in CKG, so for running not so good.
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Old Dec 31, 14, 12:51 am
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BTW, CKG has now implemented the 3-day transit visa on arrival, so it is possible to go there without getting Chinese visa. However, no other OW airlines in CKG, so for running not so good.
Aren't we overlooking a flying dragon to the fragrant harbour here?

Happy New Year!
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Old Dec 31, 14, 1:21 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG View Post
If going to SFO You need hotels, You need taxi, You need food and so on and all that makes Your MR more expensive.
It's easier to maintain status than to attain status. The great thing about runs westward is that there is typically no minimum stay - you can turn around in 0 nights skipping hotels and taxis altogether. Sure, it's not going to be super comfortable, but... If you can pass airline food, your expenses are zilch. But being at an airport for X hours without lounge access is going to be awful.
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Old Dec 31, 14, 1:25 am
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Oh, I did indeed, mosburger. Sadly not well adjusted schedules and only *23**6* with wednesday and saturday the only ones that doesn't need overnight (but a 7 hour wait-over). Otherwise an excellent choiche as that special administrative region is considered third country and thus valid for transit visa.
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Nice thread! I got a trip on its way I'm wondering how to make most of those mile. Here's the situation..

I'm already at 110k AY since end of Sept when my tracking period starts. Believe I will renew AY Plat anyways but got pretty juicy bucket of miles on its way from one trip and wondering where to credit them:

AA Y HEL - LHR
AA Y LHR - LAX
AA Y LAX - KOA
AA Y KOA - LAX
AA Y LAX - JFK
AY Y JFK - HEL (upgraded with voucher)

Now if I add this up (might be totally off and this is where seeking your advise).. If I credit the miles to AY I get approx 37k points as AY Plat. Basically with poinst I have already I would re-qualify for AY Plat. If I credit them to AA, I get approx 18miles for AA. Pretty close to apply for the exec plat challenge and I can fill in the remaining segments pretty easily to reach 25k.

Anyways.. What would you do?

Happy New Year and safe travels!
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Old Dec 31, 14, 2:37 am
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Originally Posted by AY0005 View Post
Nice thread! I got a trip on its way I'm wondering how to make most of those mile. Here's the situation..

I'm already at 110k AY since end of Sept when my tracking period starts. Believe I will renew AY Plat anyways but got pretty juicy bucket of miles on its way from one trip and wondering where to credit them:

AA Y HEL - LHR
AA Y LHR - LAX
AA Y LAX - KOA
AA Y KOA - LAX
AA Y LAX - JFK
AY Y JFK - HEL (upgraded with voucher)

Now if I add this up (might be totally off and this is where seeking your advise).. If I credit the miles to AY I get approx 37k points as AY Plat. Basically with poinst I have already I would re-qualify for AY Plat. If I credit them to AA, I get approx 18miles for AA. Pretty close to apply for the exec plat challenge and I can fill in the remaining segments pretty easily to reach 25k.

Anyways.. What would you do?

Happy New Year and safe travels!
They offer the open Platinum challenge but the EXPLAT challenge is much harder to get. So far it has eluded me 😜 but if you can sign up for the EXPLAT 25k challenge then its a no brainer. But also keep in mind its 25K EQP cheap Y tickets only earn 0,5 eqp
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