Jan 23, 19, 9:42 am
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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)
TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)
Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:
ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: ? (Some rotations overnight at BCN.)
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: ?
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUF: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
KZN: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
LED: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: ? (AY rotations tend to overnight at MAD.)
MAH: ?
MAN: ? (Security check required for sure.)
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Note: during covid times there have been reports of having to reclear security.
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
STR: ?
SVO: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
SVX: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TKU: Intermediate (You exit plane on tarmac and walk into terminal, through baggage claim and upstairs again to security which is always open unless weird things happen. Boarding never starts before incoming plane is clearly empty.)
TMP: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)
Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:
DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)
TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)
Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:
ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: ? (Some rotations overnight at BCN.)
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: ?
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUF: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
KZN: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
LED: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: ? (AY rotations tend to overnight at MAD.)
MAH: ?
MAN: ? (Security check required for sure.)
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Note: during covid times there have been reports of having to reclear security.
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
STR: ?
SVO: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
SVX: ? (Note Russian Visa requirements.)
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TKU: Intermediate (You exit plane on tarmac and walk into terminal, through baggage claim and upstairs again to security which is always open unless weird things happen. Boarding never starts before incoming plane is clearly empty.)
TMP: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)
Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:
DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
Ahoy, mileage runners! (Incl. immediate turnarounds)
Dec 2, 18, 11:38 pm
#1501
Join Date: May 2014
Location: BRU
Programs: BA GGL, TK E (*G), ITA exec
Posts: 3,445
Originally Posted by lkrt
Yes.
Edit: do you mean non-105 tickets or other than AY-coded flights? For the former I have experience, latter not.
Edit: do you mean non-105 tickets or other than AY-coded flights? For the former I have experience, latter not.
Originally Posted by ffay005
Lefly, since all your flights (HEL-ARN, ARN-HEL, HEL-JFK) are on the same day and the JFK-HEL flight departs in the afternoon, if you are worried about the BPs and if OLCI doesn’t work, you could always go to HEL the previous evening and request check-in for all three flights. The agents can do it at as soon as the JFK flight reaches T24.
But if they can assist in HEL, with check-in and/or BPs for trips starting elsewhere, all is good
Dec 3, 18, 2:07 am
#1502
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Helsinki
Programs: AY+ Plat basic
Posts: 385
I really appreciate this discussion since I booked ARN-HEL-MIA-HEL-ARN 5minutes ago, and being Helsinki based, I should now make sure I make that first flight on time. Now for normal people (that is outside FT) they always warn about having enuf time between the flights if those flights are on separate tickets. I guess that's why this idea of taking the same morning flight to ARN seems so scary. for me taking the morning flight HEL-ARN and then directly same plane back would be the most comfortable. After reading this thread, it feel pretty risk proof. But nobody want's to miss all those expensive flights, hotel etc if there's even the slightest risk. But OCLI should work and there's always gate arrival in ARN. What else could go wrong?
Dec 3, 18, 4:23 am
#1503
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 227
I never did a positioning flight (combined tickets yes) until now. Flew 805 / 806 today and combine it with AY9.
Yesterday evening OLCI didn't work, only for the first leg. I used the chat and they said that randomly 3 J passengers and some Y passengers are selected for US bound flights to go to an agent.
However, this morning 2h before AY805 I received SMS with both boarding passes.
Still I went to the checkin in Helsinki and got the boarding pass for AY9.
Yesterday evening OLCI didn't work, only for the first leg. I used the chat and they said that randomly 3 J passengers and some Y passengers are selected for US bound flights to go to an agent.
However, this morning 2h before AY805 I received SMS with both boarding passes.
Still I went to the checkin in Helsinki and got the boarding pass for AY9.
Dec 3, 18, 9:08 am
#1504
Join Date: May 2014
Location: HEL
Programs: AY+Plat, ALL Gold, Scandic L2
Posts: 3,540
IIRC, you can fill the passport data at on-line check-in too. I have had no problems issuing boarding passes to the US from Finnair.com as a non-Finnish EU citizen. It works even with the dreaded SSSS.
Dec 3, 18, 2:10 pm
#1505
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Helsinki-Vantaa APT, Finland
Programs: AY LUMO
Posts: 5,685
OLCI worked today well but A321 suffering tech in ARN.
We had 10min Northern Stockholm sightseen and diverted back to ARN.
My first divert ever. Mileage running is sometimes hard. ^
We had 10min Northern Stockholm sightseen and diverted back to ARN.
My first divert ever. Mileage running is sometimes hard. ^
Dec 3, 18, 11:46 pm
#1507
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY, SK, TK
Posts: 7,094
Originally Posted by OH-LGG
OLCI worked today well but A321 suffering tech in ARN.
We had 10min Northern Stockholm sightseen and diverted back to ARN.
My first divert ever. Mileage running is sometimes hard. ^
We had 10min Northern Stockholm sightseen and diverted back to ARN.
My first divert ever. Mileage running is sometimes hard. ^
Dec 5, 18, 2:12 am
#1510
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Helsinki
Programs: AY Platinum
Posts: 303
I'm sure this question has been answered here somewhere so sorry for asking again. I guess doing a same plane turnaround at BMA shouldn't be an issue, right?
Edit: actually just remembered that I did this myself a couple of years ago and it was very simple and smooth, so never mind.
Edit: actually just remembered that I did this myself a couple of years ago and it was very simple and smooth, so never mind.
Last edited by loimu; Dec 5, 18 at 2:53 am
Dec 5, 18, 3:00 pm
#1511
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Platinum (OWE), BW Diamond
Posts: 626
Bromma is still a construction zone, so one should consider that it might not be possible to walk from tarmac to the departure gates. Occasionally security can be very jammed so if Norra is trying to make a very quick turnaround (say, start boarding people immediately after clearing incoming pax, Don't know is that possible though) and you have to exit/enter the terminal, there is a risk of missing the flight. But overall, ay sells connections with 20min connection time @Bromma so should be quite safe not as safe as i.e. ARN would be.
Dec 17, 18, 11:41 am
#1512
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: BGO (Temporarily HEL)
Programs: AY+ Gold, SK EBG
Posts: 400
Considering a DEL mileage run ex-BGO in order to seal AY+ Gold within the next six months with the 40 000 point promotion for status matchers. Will also have a BGO-ICN roundtrip in the same period, although not solely for the miles. Anyone with a rough estimate of how many points this will give, if booked in Value?
And is e-visa for India still required even if you plan to return on the next flight 4 hours later, all booked in the same ticket?
And is e-visa for India still required even if you plan to return on the next flight 4 hours later, all booked in the same ticket?
Last edited by Superrman; Dec 18, 18 at 2:12 pm Reason: Forgot that the Gold challenge for EB status holders is at 40 000 points, not 50 000!
Dec 17, 18, 11:46 am
#1513
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Platinum Lumo, TK Elite, AA, BA, SK, DL, NT, WB + hotels
Posts: 7,664
Not quite. BGO-HEL is 1000 points and HEL-DEL/ICN is 8000 points if you don't have status. That would be 36k points. You can use the Finnair points calculator to estimate accruals.
Indian visa is needed, though the only person to look at it (the home-printed pdf) is the gate agent at HEL. But without it, you will not be allowed to board.
Indian visa is needed, though the only person to look at it (the home-printed pdf) is the gate agent at HEL. But without it, you will not be allowed to board.
Dec 17, 18, 12:24 pm
#1514
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: BGO (Temporarily HEL)
Programs: AY+ Gold, SK EBG
Posts: 400
Thanks for mentioning the points calculator and that the e-visa situation has (unfortunately) not changed. Should amount to 39 600 points in total, since I would be starting and finishing both of my runs in BGO. (and AY+ Silver)
Last edited by Superrman; Dec 17, 18 at 12:41 pm
