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Ahoy, mileage runners! (Incl. immediate turnarounds)

Old Jan 23, 19, 9:42 am
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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Ahoy, mileage runners! (Incl. immediate turnarounds)

Old Sep 15, 22, 3:25 am
  #2401  
 
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I would say two hours is the absolute maximum time spent in the immigration queue at JFK. That would still give you two hours to check in and clear security, which is more than enough.

My take: On a bad day, yes, perfectly doable and you will have time to visit the Flagship lounge. On a good day, you will be out of immigration within minutes and will have time to take the Airtrain to Jamaica if you want to see a rougher side of NYC (walk to Jamaica Avenue and towards 165th Street; however, I would not necessarily recommend this at night; the flight comes in a bit too late for this).
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Old Sep 15, 22, 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005
I would say two hours is the absolute maximum time spent in the immigration queue at JFK. That would still give you two hours to check in and clear security, which is more than enough.

My take: On a bad day, yes, perfectly doable and you will have time to visit the Flagship lounge. On a good day, you will be out of immigration within minutes and will have time to take the Airtrain to Jamaica if you want to see a rougher side of NYC (walk to Jamaica Avenue and towards 165th Street; however, I would not necessarily recommend this at night; the flight comes in a bit too late for this).
Thank you very very much. I'll give it a go then
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Old Sep 15, 22, 8:13 pm
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Originally Posted by TravelExperience
... I understand that most US airports require passengers to clear immigration and then re-enter departures again so am abit concerned.
...
All US airports require that, but it is not an airport decision, but a federal one. There is simply no airside international transfer in the US.
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Old Sep 16, 22, 1:49 am
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Originally Posted by aama
+1 for all this bag thing.

Did it in May HEL-ARN-HEL on separate tickets and ARN-HEL-JFK-HEL-ARN. Checked bags in for AY5 and the Platsku desk lady even said "Ei minua kiinnosta mikn Tukholma. AY5 New York se riitt."

At check-in on the way back I convinced them to short check our bags to HEL as mrs. & jr. stayed home and after a nap I went on to have dinner/snacks at HEL Schengen & ARN Aurora
Any recent experiences on both? Got a HEL-BER-HEL-DFW-FLL-JFK-HEL-BER-HEL coming up and need bags for the trip. Originally the plan was to enjoy one night at BER to both directions, but now would need to do a same plane turnaround. Got the first flight from BER and 40 min at HEL to change to DFW so plenty of time to visit Platsku lounge And on the return got 3h 35min time, so would short check the bags and store them at the Excess Baggage Company while visiting BER. The return is last flight of the day.

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Old Sep 25, 22, 5:34 am
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Turnaround at DXB for AY flight - is it straightforward?

Looking to book the LHR-HEL-DXB-HEL-LHR which arrives in DXB at 2250 and return is at 0035 .

I can't remember DXB - do you need to exit via customer / passport checks / VISAs or is it straight forward?

Thank you all!
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Old Sep 25, 22, 5:38 am
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Just before you get onto the train to immigration there are signs for transfer passengers which I think takes you down to another security check. Ive never done this so I dont know how long it takes and if there are ticket desks.
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Old Oct 1, 22, 3:00 am
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Originally Posted by GeeTee77
Any recent experiences on both? Got a HEL-BER-HEL-DFW-FLL-JFK-HEL-BER-HEL coming up and need bags for the trip. Originally the plan was to enjoy one night at BER to both directions, but now would need to do a same plane turnaround. Got the first flight from BER and 40 min at HEL to change to DFW so plenty of time to visit Platsku lounge And on the return got 3h 35min time, so would short check the bags and store them at the Excess Baggage Company while visiting BER. The return is last flight of the day.
This almost look like my upcoming FRA-HEL-BER-HEL-NYC-HEL-FRA
But I do have a nights' stay at NY
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Old Oct 1, 22, 3:02 am
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Originally Posted by 62aClubWorld
Looking to book the LHR-HEL-DXB-HEL-LHR which arrives in DXB at 2250 and return is at 0035 .

I can't remember DXB - do you need to exit via customer / passport checks / VISAs or is it straight forward?

Thank you all!
Wouldn't you think this is a thight connection?
Even with the emirati guys, the can really fast turn almost anything into a mess.....
I remember doing lots of turnarounds in former Air Berlin times at AUH, but you always had to pass through their terminal areas, so there was never a problem with_out_ immigration....
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Old Oct 1, 22, 6:03 am
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so has anyone DONE this HEL-DXB-HEL back to back ?
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Old Oct 1, 22, 6:12 am
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Originally Posted by 62aClubWorld
so has anyone DONE this HEL-DXB-HEL back to back ?
I have done it twice.
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Old Oct 2, 22, 4:08 am
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Which one?







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Old Oct 2, 22, 4:18 am
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BTW, that's really nice price Classic -ticket.

EDIT. Couldnt book it myself but CS booked it for me. It ended all the time with error message.
Fare:
EUR 1.00
Taxes:
240.00 YR
13.23 CJ
5.76 AY
4.07 XA
4.63 XF
9.76 WL
18.31 RN
20.25 US
7.20 XY
1.80 XU
7.95 VV
20.25 US
6.70 YC
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Old Oct 10, 22, 2:56 pm
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Has anyone tried same plane turnaround in Hamburg? I think if I would need to clear the security then I think I would miss the return flight.
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Old Oct 10, 22, 8:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Flying Whale
Has anyone tried same plane turnaround in Hamburg? I think if I would need to clear the security then I think I would miss the return flight.
I havent, but Schengen arrivals in HAM pour directly to the gate, so shouldn't be a problem.
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Old Nov 4, 22, 11:59 pm
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Originally Posted by TravelExperience
Hi all,

Hoping to tap the forum's wisdom here, am contemplating an immediate turn around for JFK, the itinerary will be arrival on AY015, at 19:45, Terminal 8 JFK and return on AY016, at 23:45. Single ticket

So a total of 4 hours give or take, however I have never been to the US before, let alone JFK so am seeking some advice if its feasible. For information, I have a US Visa but am not eligible for the any of the pre check / clearance options. I understand that most US airports require passengers to clear immigration and then re-enter departures again so am abit concerned.

Background to this is that I bought the ticket during the 3x points promo, with a 2 day layover, and recently there was schedule change so am contemplating the viability of a same day turn around
Hi All,

after research and much appreciated advice from some forum members, Im finally heading out today to JFK for a same day turnaround on AY 15 & 16.

having a bit of cold sweat though as yesterdays AY 15 was almost 1 hour late :( cutting the turnaround time to just 3 hours

wondering if any members here have done a some day turnaround recently in JFK and have any advice to share ? Thanks in advance
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