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Old Jan 23, 2019, 9:42 am
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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Old Sep 1, 2020, 12:46 am
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How about we coordinate all HKG-goers on the same plane and then appoint a "travel coordinator"? So whenever AY moves schedules around, one guy can call and ask for them to reseat the entire entourage in one go?
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Originally Posted by intuition
How about we coordinate all HKG-goers on the same plane and then appoint a "travel coordinator"? So whenever AY moves schedules around, one guy can call and ask for them to reseat the entire entourage in one go?

does not help to reseat if the layover is over 24 hours 😁😁


Quite annoying that they keep readjusting the schedule by hours for no apparrant reason 😁 and yes I realize there must be a reason but just annoying. I went from 100% sure Lumo to not caring to even book another flight in 2020 😁😁 quite a change
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Old Sep 1, 2020, 1:36 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
How about we coordinate all HKG-goers on the same plane and then appoint a "travel coordinator"? So whenever AY moves schedules around, one guy can call and ask for them to reseat the entire entourage in one go?
heh, just charter a 359 and off we go.
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Old Sep 1, 2020, 3:16 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
How about we coordinate all HKG-goers on the same plane and then appoint a "travel coordinator"? So whenever AY moves schedules around, one guy can call and ask for them to reseat the entire entourage in one go?
I like the idea! Maybe FinnairPlus can coordinate? I've got that one J ticket pushed all the way to March but I intend to use it as soon as borders open.
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Old Sep 1, 2020, 3:43 am
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Originally Posted by cistavoda
I like the idea! Maybe FinnairPlus can coordinate? I've got that one J ticket pushed all the way to March but I intend to use it as soon as borders open.
Finnair could even establish a separate department or subsidiary to serve customers with these special needs. They could call it, for example, Sun Travels.
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Old Sep 1, 2020, 6:47 am
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suntravel.fi and suntrip.fi are up for grabs. But wouldn't Salad travel fit better?
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Old Sep 1, 2020, 1:47 pm
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There are still a few dates in September where a 2-hour layover in HKG would be possible. I wonder if I should try. But I can't even decide whether I want to take those flights even if AY (and HKG) allowed me to do so. Mask on for 24 hours doesn't sound very enticing.
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Old Sep 1, 2020, 2:01 pm
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Originally Posted by ffay005
There are still a few dates in September where a 2-hour layover in HKG would be possible. .
What are these dates ?
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Old Sep 1, 2020, 2:11 pm
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Hahaha, some good talk here

So we have a new finnair organized meetup onboard A359. Sign up at [email protected]!
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Old Sep 1, 2020, 4:29 pm
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
What are these dates ?
Oh c**p, you're right! The dates don't coincide. There's an afternoon departure from HEL, and there's a morning departure from HKG, but the dates never work, the plane stays at HKG for several days. What's the point of that?!

So no easy solution here. There doesn't even seem to be an airside hotel at HKG. That would make the midnight departures bearable.
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Old Sep 1, 2020, 11:30 pm
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Originally Posted by ffay005
There are still a few dates in September where a 2-hour layover in HKG would be possible. I wonder if I should try. But I can't even decide whether I want to take those flights even if AY (and HKG) allowed me to do so. Mask on for 24 hours doesn't sound very enticing.
if such flights existed I propably would fly, though I guess one would have to make sure a transit does kot mandate a 14 day quarantine 😁😁

oh these times we live in...

on the plus side I am saving a crap load of money 🤷‍♀️😁 go figure
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Old Sep 1, 2020, 11:34 pm
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Originally Posted by ffay005
Oh c**p, you're right! The dates don't coincide. There's an afternoon departure from HEL, and there's a morning departure from HKG, but the dates never work, the plane stays at HKG for several days. What's the point of that?!

So no easy solution here. There doesn't even seem to be an airside hotel at HKG. That would make the midnight departures bearable.

as it is I am not sure one would be allowed to go if the trabsit is over 24hours? with the new schedule it was 26 I think? could be wrong... I could have made a day with the 24 hour airport transit It would have sucked I am sure but doable 😁

but without a double points promo I am not so sure a 24hr HKG airport trip would be for me... 2-7 hrs sure

plus if one just keeps drinking and eating on the plane the mask issue is less of a problem... I imagine J and Y is quite sparesly occupied these days?
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 12:52 am
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Originally Posted by kauppias
as it is I am not sure one would be allowed to go if the trabsit is over 24hours? with the new schedule it was 26 I think?
Yeah, 26 hours: 07:25-09:25
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 4:23 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
Yeah, 26 hours: 07:25-09:25
In October, transit is 14:45-00:25 and flights are (supposed to be) daily. With an airside transit hotel this would be doable, but there isn't one.
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 6:02 am
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While I'd love to be disproved, I think doing B2B in HKG is an invite to all sorts of troubles. I think mainland is pushing in one direction and SAR is leaning towards pleasing. With a small chance of getting a local travel bubble working for the pearl river delta, HKG will not risk anything.
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