Involuntary Downgrade
#61


Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: MAN DXB ✈️
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 6,932
#62




Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Aberdeen
Programs: BA Exec Silver, Hilton Honors Gold, Porter
Posts: 1,203
I am not really bothered about the downgrade for the flight, since it is only DXB-DOH. It is still listed as giving me the miles for F. I would still like access to the F lounge.
#63




Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: West Coast, USA
Programs: Skywards Platinum
Posts: 3,747

I still have no resolution, EK is still within their 30-days to respond period.
#64




Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: West Coast, USA
Programs: Skywards Platinum
Posts: 3,747
Just got a response from EK on my "involuntary downgrade":
"Dear Mr. Whimike,
Thank you for your email of 15 March.
I regret the inconvenience you experienced due to being downgraded from First class to Business class on flight EK651 from Colombo to Dubai.
As advised in our email of 14 Marchm the downgrade was due to operational requirements.
Regrettably, I am unable to offer you any form of service recovery for this downgrade.
As a valued Gold Skywards member, we look forward to welcoming you on board our flights again.
Yours sincerely,
Customer Affairs"
So, basically, if you pay for a First Class ticket, and they involuntarily downgrade you to Business Class, you are owed nothing, and to top it off you are given fewer miles.
"Dear Mr. Whimike,
Thank you for your email of 15 March.
I regret the inconvenience you experienced due to being downgraded from First class to Business class on flight EK651 from Colombo to Dubai.
As advised in our email of 14 Marchm the downgrade was due to operational requirements.
Regrettably, I am unable to offer you any form of service recovery for this downgrade.
As a valued Gold Skywards member, we look forward to welcoming you on board our flights again.
Yours sincerely,
Customer Affairs"
So, basically, if you pay for a First Class ticket, and they involuntarily downgrade you to Business Class, you are owed nothing, and to top it off you are given fewer miles.
#65
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 46,140
You will be entitled to a reduction in fare to business class if you travel in business class the whole way or should be able to cancel without penalty I would expect
As far as fares go, that is ungenerous but correct in that with a 1st class fare, if the flight is scheduled to operate with no 1st class, you get booked into the highest available cabin at the same price
As far as fares go, that is ungenerous but correct in that with a 1st class fare, if the flight is scheduled to operate with no 1st class, you get booked into the highest available cabin at the same price
#66


Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: MAN DXB ✈️
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 6,932
Just got a response from EK on my "involuntary downgrade":
"Dear Mr. Whimike,
Thank you for your email of 15 March.
I regret the inconvenience you experienced due to being downgraded from First class to Business class on flight EK651 from Colombo to Dubai.
As advised in our email of 14 Marchm the downgrade was due to operational requirements.
Regrettably, I am unable to offer you any form of service recovery for this downgrade.
As a valued Gold Skywards member, we look forward to welcoming you on board our flights again.
Yours sincerely,
Customer Affairs"
So, basically, if you pay for a First Class ticket, and they involuntarily downgrade you to Business Class, you are owed nothing, and to top it off you are given fewer miles.
"Dear Mr. Whimike,
Thank you for your email of 15 March.
I regret the inconvenience you experienced due to being downgraded from First class to Business class on flight EK651 from Colombo to Dubai.
As advised in our email of 14 Marchm the downgrade was due to operational requirements.
Regrettably, I am unable to offer you any form of service recovery for this downgrade.
As a valued Gold Skywards member, we look forward to welcoming you on board our flights again.
Yours sincerely,
Customer Affairs"
So, basically, if you pay for a First Class ticket, and they involuntarily downgrade you to Business Class, you are owed nothing, and to top it off you are given fewer miles.

#67


Join Date: May 2010
Location: BOM
Programs: EK Plat, HHonors Gold
Posts: 3,000
Just got a response from EK on my "involuntary downgrade":
"Dear Mr. Whimike,
Thank you for your email of 15 March.
I regret the inconvenience you experienced due to being downgraded from First class to Business class on flight EK651 from Colombo to Dubai.
As advised in our email of 14 Marchm the downgrade was due to operational requirements.
Regrettably, I am unable to offer you any form of service recovery for this downgrade.
As a valued Gold Skywards member, we look forward to welcoming you on board our flights again.
Yours sincerely,
Customer Affairs"
So, basically, if you pay for a First Class ticket, and they involuntarily downgrade you to Business Class, you are owed nothing, and to top it off you are given fewer miles.
"Dear Mr. Whimike,
Thank you for your email of 15 March.
I regret the inconvenience you experienced due to being downgraded from First class to Business class on flight EK651 from Colombo to Dubai.
As advised in our email of 14 Marchm the downgrade was due to operational requirements.
Regrettably, I am unable to offer you any form of service recovery for this downgrade.
As a valued Gold Skywards member, we look forward to welcoming you on board our flights again.
Yours sincerely,
Customer Affairs"
So, basically, if you pay for a First Class ticket, and they involuntarily downgrade you to Business Class, you are owed nothing, and to top it off you are given fewer miles.

#68




Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: West Coast, USA
Programs: Skywards Platinum
Posts: 3,747
You will be entitled to a reduction in fare to business class if you travel in business class the whole way or should be able to cancel without penalty I would expect
As far as fares go, that is ungenerous but correct in that with a 1st class fare, if the flight is scheduled to operate with no 1st class, you get booked into the highest available cabin at the same price
As far as fares go, that is ungenerous but correct in that with a 1st class fare, if the flight is scheduled to operate with no 1st class, you get booked into the highest available cabin at the same price
EK has 3 flights a day from CMB->DXB. Only 1 of them is 3-class and I specifically chose that flight for having F suites. Due to this I incurred the cost of a transit hotel stay in CMB which I otherwise wouldn't have had to.
At minimum they could have blocked the seat next to me so that I don't have to climb over people to get to the bathroom.
To offer absolutely zero compensation, especially when I have received fewer tier and skywards miles, is ridiculous.
Last edited by whimike; Mar 24, 2013 at 7:28 pm
#69
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 46,140
If thisi is a journey with a transit and onwards in 1st class , then the mileage earning should still be 1st class , shouldn't it given that EK does not credit on a per sector basis, but on a one-way journey basis?
Alternatively, If the whole one way journey is now in business class, you should get refunded back to business class I would have thought
Alternatively, If the whole one way journey is now in business class, you should get refunded back to business class I would have thought
#70




Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: West Coast, USA
Programs: Skywards Platinum
Posts: 3,747
If thisi is a journey with a transit and onwards in 1st class , then the mileage earning should still be 1st class , shouldn't it given that EK does not credit on a per sector basis, but on a one-way journey basis?
Alternatively, If the whole one way journey is now in business class, you should get refunded back to business class I would have thought
Alternatively, If the whole one way journey is now in business class, you should get refunded back to business class I would have thought
#71
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 46,140
Did the airline credit you for tier miles as for 1st class for the whole oneway journey or for business class for the whole one way journey
#72




Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: West Coast, USA
Programs: Skywards Platinum
Posts: 3,747
I was credit as Saver first class, if I ignore the mileage accelerator. But, the milage accelerator is material, and overall I have fewer miles than had I flown in F on the first leg, as I paid to do.
#73
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 46,140
The credit as saver , if purchased a flex would seem to just be a mistake that should be easily rectified rather than , as implied by the previous post where you stated that you have received fewer tier miles due to this
#74



Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: LON
Programs: BA, TK, EK
Posts: 949
The lack of service recovery is a poor show.
#75
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 46,140
As far as any 1st bonuses for travelling 1st on a specific flight, then the lack of earning would be expected

