Sep 14, 2017, 7:20 am
Last edit by: Flame3601
Information on Load requests
The number of seats for sale for a flight are available via ExpertFlyer.com, a subscription-based service with a 5-day free trial. A subscription is $9.99/month and can be enabled and disabled any time. It is encouraged to subscribe rather than post repeatedly in this thread.
NB: Op-up changes or overselling of a flight cannot be determined with certainty from this information, only inferred to be more or less probable.
For a once-off load request please follow these guidelines:
Flight loads >7 days out are not very useful, as the airline could still sell many seats, unless availability of a specific fare bucket (e.g. Business Saver upgrade) is requested. If you wish to know the general flight load please don't post >7 days before departure.
When requesting a load please provide the following information:
- Date of flight (departure date)
- Flight Number
- Origin
- Destination
These four fields are mandatory in searching on ExpertFlyer (see screenshot below) and it isn't fair to except those who pay for their subscriptions to also have to go look up which cities a specific flight number is from and to (also some flight numbers are onward flights (5th freedom routes, e.g. CMB-MLE) and loads will differ significantly depending on which sector of the flight is checked.
The number of seats for sale for a flight are available via ExpertFlyer.com, a subscription-based service with a 5-day free trial. A subscription is $9.99/month and can be enabled and disabled any time. It is encouraged to subscribe rather than post repeatedly in this thread.
NB: Op-up changes or overselling of a flight cannot be determined with certainty from this information, only inferred to be more or less probable.
For a once-off load request please follow these guidelines:
Flight loads >7 days out are not very useful, as the airline could still sell many seats, unless availability of a specific fare bucket (e.g. Business Saver upgrade) is requested. If you wish to know the general flight load please don't post >7 days before departure.
When requesting a load please provide the following information:
- Date of flight (departure date)
- Flight Number
- Origin
- Destination
These four fields are mandatory in searching on ExpertFlyer (see screenshot below) and it isn't fair to except those who pay for their subscriptions to also have to go look up which cities a specific flight number is from and to (also some flight numbers are onward flights (5th freedom routes, e.g. CMB-MLE) and loads will differ significantly depending on which sector of the flight is checked.
Flight Load Check request
Jan 30, 2018 | 12:20 am
#406
Ambassador, Emirates
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: LGW / AMS / CPT
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02/02/18 9:30BOM
02/02/18 14:0077W
Daily
34% / 39mF3 A2 J6 C0 I0 O0 P0 Y9 E9 R9 W9 M9B9 U9 K9 H0 Q4 L0 T0 V0 X0
At this stage I would not get too excited about op ups yet!
Jan 30, 2018 | 4:44 am
#407
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: DXB
Programs: EK Gold
Posts: 40
Jan 30, 2018 | 4:46 am
#408
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Economy, mostly :(
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 7,791
B9 U9 K9 H0 Q0 L0 T0 V0 X0
Last edited by skywardhunter; Jan 30, 2018 at 5:07 am
Jan 30, 2018 | 2:14 pm
#410
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 15
I am looking into getting an EF subscription but wanted to ask from your experience, can you see how well flights are doing by the month? Meaning how well the loads have been for a particular flight for the month?
I appreciate all the help!
Jan 31, 2018 | 2:26 am
#413
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Thanks for checking for me, could you possibly help me out with analyzing this. If i am correct this indcates that economy had sold out and business has seats left? Also do you know what the percentage stands for? where it says 44%
I am looking into getting an EF subscription but wanted to ask from your experience, can you see how well flights are doing by the month? Meaning how well the loads have been for a particular flight for the month?
I appreciate all the help!
I am looking into getting an EF subscription but wanted to ask from your experience, can you see how well flights are doing by the month? Meaning how well the loads have been for a particular flight for the month?
I appreciate all the help!
I always find it a bit cumbersome to copy / paste from EF on an iPad. The 44% comes from a column called 'frequency / reliability' from the description:
Frequency and Reliability
The Frequency denotes the days of the week that the particular flight operates. The Reliability is the On Time Percentage and the Average Delay in Minutes of the flight over the last two months. More detailed Flight Reliability Ratings can be found on the Travel Information page.As far as your second question goes: There is no backwards capability as in looking for actual loads. If you want to get a feel for loads, you would need to interrogate the system on a daily basis and form a picture. I once did that for award availably on a route I was keen on. There is a possibility to save a query to help in this, but there is daily 'effort' involved in this.
If you are keen to learn more about EF, there is a 5 day free trial. Also, once you sign up, it is very easy to stop your subscription and restart it again, in other words you only pay the $9.99 for each month you want to use it. the risk is thus very small, relative to the wealth of information at your disposal.
Jan 31, 2018 | 1:22 pm
#414
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: MAN DXB ✈️
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 6,933
Yes, the availability indicates that the airline is not selling any economy seats, but plenty of business class seats are available for sale. This does not say anything about award availability, there is a separate EF query for that. But one could deduct that there is a possibility of operational upgrades (which depends on a combination of tier level and ticket type)
I always find it a bit cumbersome to copy / paste from EF on an iPad. The 44% comes from a column called 'frequency / reliability' from the description:
As far as your second question goes: There is no backwards capability as in looking for actual loads. If you want to get a feel for loads, you would need to interrogate the system on a daily basis and form a picture. I once did that for award availably on a route I was keen on. There is a possibility to save a query to help in this, but there is daily 'effort' involved in this.
If you are keen to learn more about EF, there is a 5 day free trial. Also, once you sign up, it is very easy to stop your subscription and restart it again, in other words you only pay the $9.99 for each month you want to use it. the risk is thus very small, relative to the wealth of information at your disposal.
I always find it a bit cumbersome to copy / paste from EF on an iPad. The 44% comes from a column called 'frequency / reliability' from the description:
Frequency and Reliability
The Frequency denotes the days of the week that the particular flight operates. The Reliability is the On Time Percentage and the Average Delay in Minutes of the flight over the last two months. More detailed Flight Reliability Ratings can be found on the Travel Information page.As far as your second question goes: There is no backwards capability as in looking for actual loads. If you want to get a feel for loads, you would need to interrogate the system on a daily basis and form a picture. I once did that for award availably on a route I was keen on. There is a possibility to save a query to help in this, but there is daily 'effort' involved in this.
If you are keen to learn more about EF, there is a 5 day free trial. Also, once you sign up, it is very easy to stop your subscription and restart it again, in other words you only pay the $9.99 for each month you want to use it. the risk is thus very small, relative to the wealth of information at your disposal.
Jan 31, 2018 | 3:12 pm
#416
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That is certainly what has been mentioned before. Whether this is fact or educated guess I dont really know. At the same time, you cant book such a thing, it has to be, well, offered. So do they offer from the P bucket availability?
Jan 31, 2018 | 3:18 pm
#417
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380BHX
08/02/18 20:50DXB
09/02/18 7:50388
Daily
60% / 48mJ7 C7 I7 O7 P0 Y9 E9 R9 W9 M9 B9 U0K0 H0 Q0 L0 T0 V0 X0
Feb 1, 2018 | 11:00 am
#418
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Cape Town
Programs: BA Exec Gold , Qatar Priviledge Club Plat
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Trying to gage upgrade changes with miles from J to F on the following, so any help would be most appreciated - as always !
EK770- 04/04/18 - CPT-DXB
EK773-06/04/18 - DXB-CPT
Shot !
EK770- 04/04/18 - CPT-DXB
EK773-06/04/18 - DXB-CPT
Shot !
Feb 1, 2018 | 3:46 pm
#419
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Assuming you want to go North on 4/4 and back to CPT on the 6th, it does not look good. You will be aware that there is no Z availability on any flights those days.
Feb 1, 2018 | 9:51 pm
#420
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Cape Town
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I think youve got your flight numbers mixed up. 770 is a DXB/CPT flight, 773 is CPT/DXB.
Assuming you want to go North on 4/4 and back to CPT on the 6th, it does not look good. You will be aware that there is no Z availability on any flights those days.