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N830MH Jun 15, 2011 11:44 pm


Originally Posted by jimyvr (Post 16557252)
EK is giving Baghdad another try, with service starting 13NOV11. It'll operate 4 weekly flights (last time was 3 weekly) with 3-class A330-200.

However, reservation is not open for the moment.

Wow! How many time EK is served to BGW? Is that 2nd or 3rd chance? I wasn't sure why. Why EK wants go to Baghdad again? I thought the routes didn't workout very well for last time.

ung1 Jun 17, 2011 10:31 pm

I thought this was an interesting find: The EK route network in Summer 2000. http://airlineroute.net/2011/06/17/ek-s00/

Zol Jun 18, 2011 2:45 am

On the topic, came across this old route map a while ago and thought I'd share


http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6...atesroutes.jpg

bvms Jun 18, 2011 10:18 am


Originally Posted by khalid26 (Post 16582399)
On the topic, came across this old route map a while ago and thought I'd share


http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6...atesroutes.jpg

'old is gold' as the saying goes, yet don't we all want to see or hear of something new?
:p

jarino Jun 18, 2011 12:01 pm

Three of the destinations were discontinued (apart from AUH):
Interesting to see that SGN was there and never came back.
Baku? Now FlyDubai.
Comores? Probably even too small for FlyDubai.

bvms Jun 18, 2011 9:49 pm


Originally Posted by EKfanatic (Post 16550382)
I wish they'd add a second daily SFO flight with a Boeing 777-200LR, that way I can easily get to stay at a free Dubai hotel for a longer layover. I hear this is a very great airline.

Another question though. Does the A380 have the range to make it on DXB-SFO/LAX route?

ACCORDING to this article (quoting Airbus's website) the a380-800 can do it.
the new a380-800's (extended range) will have some 600MTs less weight that ek + BA are both getting in 2012.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/3962142/

it's been said that will be able to go the full routing at least to sfo/lax, but after it successfully goes to sfo then the pressure will be there for it to go to Lax. also ek's putting pressure on Airbus to ensure the a350XWB-1000 can do dxb-lax. Let's see what happens. "it ain't over until the fat lady sings".

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...a350-1000.html

http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2011...e-that-tanker/

"But the increased range will still fall somewhat short of Clark’s goal on non-stop to Los Angeles. Rather, the airplane will be able to do Dubai-Seattle non-stop."

http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2011...aris-air-show/

http://www.thenational.ae/business/a...s-big-airlines

we'll all have to "wait and see" what the actuals (post 2016-17) prove what the capacity for the plane is, likely if ek does order the long range version Nov 13, 2011 at it's Dubai air show, if they cut back cargo in the hold, they still might get as far as dxb-lax, well at least the a380-800 will likely have the range to do it, if not the a350-1000 and ek's also pushing boeing for 777-300ER(NG) to go dxb-lax, eventually they'll get it w/o reduction of seats and cargo.;)

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...aises-xwb.html

now it's delayed until 2017 for sure as RR makes bigger engines for it. "It ain't over until the fat lady sings":D

EK flyer Jun 21, 2011 10:03 am

Emirates777 are you still there? It would be amazing if you could share some information.

@ all flyertalk members:
Do you know what African destinations are on the "radar"?

Kapitanleutnant Jun 21, 2011 2:26 pm

It would make sense to me that Boeing will NOT make a newer, better B777 300"LR", or "NG". Why?

Because those type range increases would cringe upon the new product B747-8I and why would a company want to put competing products out to the market.
Wouldn't make any sense for them to do much more to the 777 even though I'd love to see it happen.

Kap

bvms Jun 22, 2011 1:38 am


Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant (Post 16601624)
It would make sense to me that Boeing will NOT make a newer, better B777 300"LR", or "NG". Why?

Because those type range increases would cringe upon the new product B747-8I and why would a company want to put competing products out to the market.
Wouldn't make any sense for them to do much more to the 777 even though I'd love to see it happen.

Kap

Good to hear "you'd love to see it happen", because it's looking like Boeing *IS* going to upgrade it-by how much? obviously not enough to eat into it's b747-8I stats.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ls-777-9x.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-wingspan.html


""What we'll do on the 777 is continue to improve the airplane we have," said Albaugh. "But we also have some major upgrades we could do in the event that we have to respond to a move by the competition."

Boeing vice-president of sales Marlin Dailey said longer-term improvements to the 777, including examining the "up-gauging" or stretching of the fuselage, through the conceptual 777-9X and 777-8X, would be available early in the next decade."

Money is money and 'the big three' gulf airlines translate into BIG money orders for both Airbus and Boeing so they both DO listen quite carefully to their needs, and Boeing stated it wants to keep it's reputation 'as the leading OEM' on the Boeing 777-300er so hence the upgrade, now look to Airbus to also later on announce 'another significant upgrade' to the a350xwb-1000 as a result, and so on and so forth-tit for tat, and the airline companies will (natch) continue to gripe and whine and pit one OEM against the other OEM, and natch, their customers all win better flying comforts at the expense of the airlines (who laugh all the way to the bank!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competi...bus_and_Boeing

Tim Clark did say there was room in Emirates fleet for both types so you can also bet that come Nov 13, 2011 in time for the Dubai Air show-He'll likely order BOTH OEM's planes, and considering the long waiting time for delivery, many airlines DO order both OEM's planes- not only Emirates, it's a well proven strategy that brings profits to the airlines!:p

Zol Jun 23, 2011 5:05 am

PARIS: Qatar threatens to cancel A350-1000s after upgrade disappointment
 
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...r-upgrade.html

bvms Jun 23, 2011 10:17 am


Originally Posted by khalid26 (Post 16611288)

Precisely the talk that is starting the pressure on Airbus to up the a350xwb-1000 a step higher then Boeing has announced with it's 7779x etc. 'Touche' to Qatar airways talk, I hope Airbus listens and makes amends of it's a350XWB-1000 even more then it's already done, for it to beat Boeing on the 777-300er (NG) it'll have to work a lot harder then it is.

"Al Baker warned that if Boeing can harvest a 5% fuel burn improvement as part of its 777-300ER improvement effort, "that alone will defeat the -1000 programme".

One leasing company source told Flightglobal: "Boeing will be very happy if Airbus builds the A350-1000 that it is talking about now."


bvms:

(obviously), this is exactly what I was mentioning about. it's nice to hear Qatar airways and others gripe more- now look to Airbus to announce another "significant upgrade-to the a350xwb-1000" again. 'duh, if that happens (which it likely will) will that be a coincidence or what?' :p

BIMMERKID2 Jun 25, 2011 11:51 pm

Taiwan?
 
Why hasn't EK looked into serving Taipei or even Kaohshiung? I'm sure they would make a killing on either of the routes.

jarino Jun 26, 2011 12:06 am


Originally Posted by BIMMERKID2 (Post 16626290)
Why hasn't EK looked into serving Taipei or even Kaohshiung? I'm sure they would make a killing on either of the routes.

Probably Emirates belongs to those airlines who can't serve China and Taiwan at the same time for political reasons.

jimyvr Jun 27, 2011 4:52 am


Originally Posted by BIMMERKID2 (Post 16626290)
Why hasn't EK looked into serving Taipei or even Kaohshiung? I'm sure they would make a killing on either of the routes.

Taiwan is not the priority compared to other destinations.

bvms Jun 27, 2011 2:52 pm

Originally Posted by BIMMERKID2
Why hasn't EK looked into serving Taipei or even Kaohshiung? I'm sure they would make a killing on either of the routes.


Originally Posted by jimyvr (Post 16631445)
Taiwan is not the priority compared to other destinations.

Emirates 777, is taiwan on emirates long term plan?, We are all sure that many other countries (i.e. Fiji etc) may eventually be on the long term plan. Is Taiwan such, or politically proscribed due to China direct flights?:confused:


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