Sep 17, 2018, 11:55 am
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Delta 777-200ER/LR Conversions to 7HD & 7HB. Pre-mods config is 37J/36W/218Y. For all the ERs and the first LR, post-mods config was initially 28J/48W/220Y (7HD/7HB). The post-mods config for all ERs and LRs is now 28J/48W/90Y+/122Y (7CD/7CB).
Modifications are taking place at SIN and the entry and exit dates are based on SIN time (GMT + 8 hrs). Comfort + installation was done at ATL on all the 7HD>7CD conversions, and on 7106 (7HB>7CB). The remaining 9 LRs had the C + cabins installed at SIN.
777-200ER: 8/8 7CD
N860DA 7001 - Entered Jan 2 2019...finished Feb 3 2019. Entered ATL March 12 2019 for C + installation...finished March 15 2019. Expected wfu 05 Oct 2020.
N861DA 7002 - Entered Jan 14 2019...finished Feb 17 2019. Entered ATL March 13 2019 for C + installation...finished March 17 2019. Permanently wfu on 17 March 2020.
N862DA 7003 - Entered Nov 29 2018...finished Jan 5 2019. Entered ATL March 6 2019 for C + installation...finished March 10 2019.
N863DA 7004 - Entered Feb 17 2018...finished June 6 2018. Entered ATL Feb 17 2019 for C + installation...finished March 3 2019. Permanently wfu on 22 September 2020.
N864DA 7005 - Entered Sept 18 2018...finished Oct 22 2018. Entered ATL March 3 2019 for C + installation...finished March 7 2019. Expected wfu 05 Oct 2020.
N865DA 7006 - Entered Nov 16 2018...finished Dec 18 2018. Entered ATL Feb 21 2019 for C + installation...finished Feb 27 2019.
N866DA 7007 - Entered Oct 24 2018...finished Nov 27 2018. Entered ATL Jan 28 2019 for C + installation...finished Feb 16 2019.
N867DA 7008 - Entered Feb 4 2019...finished March 11 2019. Entered ATL March 25 2019 for C + installation...finished March 30 2019.
777-200LR: 10/10 7CB
N701DN 7101 - Entered Sept 14 2019...finished Oct 31 2019...C +.
N702DN 7102 - Entered Nov 8 2019...finished December 29 2019...C +.
N703DN 7103 - Entered Oct 18 2019...finished December 13 2019. C +.
N704DK 7104 - Entered April 4 2019...finished May 4 2019...C +. Permanently wfu on 16 March 2020.
N705DN 7105 - Entered Feb 25 2018...finished March 28 2019...C +. Permanently wfu on 22 March 2020.
N706DN 7106 - Entered Sept 6 2018...finished Nov 1 2018. Entered ATL for C + installation March 1 2019...C + finished March 14 2019. Permanently wfu on 16 March 2020.
N707DN 7107 - Entered March 23 2019...finished April 23 2019...C +.
N708DN 7108 - Entered Dec 20 2019...finished Feb 5 2020...C +.
N709DN 7109 - Entered Jan 3 2020..finished Feb 8 2020...C +.
N710DN 7110 - Entered Nov 18 2019...finished Dec 24 2019...C +.
Modifications are taking place at SIN and the entry and exit dates are based on SIN time (GMT + 8 hrs). Comfort + installation was done at ATL on all the 7HD>7CD conversions, and on 7106 (7HB>7CB). The remaining 9 LRs had the C + cabins installed at SIN.
777-200ER: 8/8 7CD
N860DA 7001 - Entered Jan 2 2019...finished Feb 3 2019. Entered ATL March 12 2019 for C + installation...finished March 15 2019. Expected wfu 05 Oct 2020.
N861DA 7002 - Entered Jan 14 2019...finished Feb 17 2019. Entered ATL March 13 2019 for C + installation...finished March 17 2019. Permanently wfu on 17 March 2020.
N862DA 7003 - Entered Nov 29 2018...finished Jan 5 2019. Entered ATL March 6 2019 for C + installation...finished March 10 2019.
N863DA 7004 - Entered Feb 17 2018...finished June 6 2018. Entered ATL Feb 17 2019 for C + installation...finished March 3 2019. Permanently wfu on 22 September 2020.
N864DA 7005 - Entered Sept 18 2018...finished Oct 22 2018. Entered ATL March 3 2019 for C + installation...finished March 7 2019. Expected wfu 05 Oct 2020.
N865DA 7006 - Entered Nov 16 2018...finished Dec 18 2018. Entered ATL Feb 21 2019 for C + installation...finished Feb 27 2019.
N866DA 7007 - Entered Oct 24 2018...finished Nov 27 2018. Entered ATL Jan 28 2019 for C + installation...finished Feb 16 2019.
N867DA 7008 - Entered Feb 4 2019...finished March 11 2019. Entered ATL March 25 2019 for C + installation...finished March 30 2019.
777-200LR: 10/10 7CB
N701DN 7101 - Entered Sept 14 2019...finished Oct 31 2019...C +.
N702DN 7102 - Entered Nov 8 2019...finished December 29 2019...C +.
N703DN 7103 - Entered Oct 18 2019...finished December 13 2019. C +.
N704DK 7104 - Entered April 4 2019...finished May 4 2019...C +. Permanently wfu on 16 March 2020.
N705DN 7105 - Entered Feb 25 2018...finished March 28 2019...C +. Permanently wfu on 22 March 2020.
N706DN 7106 - Entered Sept 6 2018...finished Nov 1 2018. Entered ATL for C + installation March 1 2019...C + finished March 14 2019. Permanently wfu on 16 March 2020.
N707DN 7107 - Entered March 23 2019...finished April 23 2019...C +.
N708DN 7108 - Entered Dec 20 2019...finished Feb 5 2020...C +.
N709DN 7109 - Entered Jan 3 2020..finished Feb 8 2020...C +.
N710DN 7110 - Entered Nov 18 2019...finished Dec 24 2019...C +.
Delta confirms first route with 777 offering Delta One Suites, Premium Select, Comfort+ and Main Cabin: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1949190-tailored-travel-delta-debut-first-aircraft-all-four-seat-experiences-marc.html
777 D1 Suite PS + Comfort+ retrofit consolidated thread
May 22, 2019, 7:38 am
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What can people tell me about PS seats on the 777? This would be the variant that also has C+ seats as well as D1 suites. It's a 777-200LR according to the seat map on delta.dumb.
I'm looking at row 20 (bulkhead, first row, and apparently just behind some lavatories on each side and a galley in the middle). I assume that these seats have more legroom and of course won't have someone reclining into the space, but are they also bassinet positions? Are there windows at row 20 or just a wall? I'm hesitating between 20B and an aisle further back in the center section, something like 22C (which currently is next to an empty seat, but I expect every PS seat to be filled on a TATL flight in late June, either through advanced sales, FCM-type offers and possibly misguided "upgrades" or with nonrevs at the gate). Are 20B and 20G uncomfortably exposed in the middle of the aisle with not enough wall in front to prevent the seat occupant from constantly being bumped during the flight? Is there so much leg room (infinite?) that folks waiting for the lavatory will tend to congregate in the space? Finally, the two lavatories in front of the PS cabin are dedicated for PS use, right (although realistically I would expect FAs to use them too, but hopefully not a long line of C+ and regular coach passengers)?
I'm looking at row 20 (bulkhead, first row, and apparently just behind some lavatories on each side and a galley in the middle). I assume that these seats have more legroom and of course won't have someone reclining into the space, but are they also bassinet positions? Are there windows at row 20 or just a wall? I'm hesitating between 20B and an aisle further back in the center section, something like 22C (which currently is next to an empty seat, but I expect every PS seat to be filled on a TATL flight in late June, either through advanced sales, FCM-type offers and possibly misguided "upgrades" or with nonrevs at the gate). Are 20B and 20G uncomfortably exposed in the middle of the aisle with not enough wall in front to prevent the seat occupant from constantly being bumped during the flight? Is there so much leg room (infinite?) that folks waiting for the lavatory will tend to congregate in the space? Finally, the two lavatories in front of the PS cabin are dedicated for PS use, right (although realistically I would expect FAs to use them too, but hopefully not a long line of C+ and regular coach passengers)?
Bulkhead legroom is great but not enough for anyone to congregate there, especially if you use your own carry-on as an "ottoman"
No bassinets like VS, or those seats would be blocked.
No aisle bumping in B or G
Light and activity was minimal from the galleys. The curtain is effective and the bathrooms are far enough away.
Restrooms in front of row 20 are shared with the last few rows of F but nobody is going to stop the C+ folks from walking forward even if the curtains at the back of PS are drawn.
May 22, 2019, 7:39 am
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@MSPeconomist, I think I have read elsewhere that the PS lavs are open for Y use but can't remember for sure.
I have a 777 flight in PS in about a week and I will attempt to scout all of this if the questions haven't been answered by then. I have not found a lot of FT-level reviews of PS seats anywhere on the internet yet. I had a cheap buyup offer to PS for LAX-SYD, but with 31F as my C+ seat, I waffled for a long time before taking it.
I have a 777 flight in PS in about a week and I will attempt to scout all of this if the questions haven't been answered by then. I have not found a lot of FT-level reviews of PS seats anywhere on the internet yet. I had a cheap buyup offer to PS for LAX-SYD, but with 31F as my C+ seat, I waffled for a long time before taking it.
If coach passengers can use the PS lavatories on international flights TO the USA, wouldn't this violate the TSA rule that passengers must stay in their own cabin? I thought cabin crews were require to enforce this, although of course some do it with a lot more enthusiasm than one sees on other flights, just as some FAs seem more menacing (or more nervous) than others when they stand behind the cart blocking the aisle when pilots come out of the cockpit.
May 22, 2019, 7:45 am
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Go with the bulkhead pair AB or GH especially if you dislike people reclining into you, and the PS seats have more recline than C+. More like Domestic F recline with less legroom than domestic F. Tons of overhead space
Bulkhead legroom is great but not enough for anyone to congregate there, especially if you use your own carry-on as an "ottoman"
No bassinets like VS, or those seats would be blocked.
No aisle bumping in B or G
Light and activity was minimal from the galleys. The curtain is effective and the bathrooms are far enough away.
Restrooms in front of row 20 are shared with the last few rows of F but nobody is going to stop the C+ folks from walking forward even if the curtains at the back of PS are drawn.
Bulkhead legroom is great but not enough for anyone to congregate there, especially if you use your own carry-on as an "ottoman"
No bassinets like VS, or those seats would be blocked.
No aisle bumping in B or G
Light and activity was minimal from the galleys. The curtain is effective and the bathrooms are far enough away.
Restrooms in front of row 20 are shared with the last few rows of F but nobody is going to stop the C+ folks from walking forward even if the curtains at the back of PS are drawn.
Then are the row 20 center section bulkhead seats CDEF bassinet seats? I'm assuming that there are some PS seats designated for bassinets.
Thanks very much.
Some experimentation on EF suggests that no PS seats are blocked. I'm surprised that something like 30G/30H aren't blocked for passengers with special needs, nor do the bassinet seats seem to be blocked. Does DL boot someone form a previously reserved seat if someone ticketed in PS has a baby, is handicapped, or has a service dog?
Thanks very much.
Some experimentation on EF suggests that no PS seats are blocked. I'm surprised that something like 30G/30H aren't blocked for passengers with special needs, nor do the bassinet seats seem to be blocked. Does DL boot someone form a previously reserved seat if someone ticketed in PS has a baby, is handicapped, or has a service dog?
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May 22, 2019, 10:31 am
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If coach passengers can use the PS lavatories on international flights TO the USA, wouldn't this violate the TSA rule that passengers must stay in their own cabin? I thought cabin crews were require to enforce this, although of course some do it with a lot more enthusiasm than one sees on other flights, just as some FAs seem more menacing (or more nervous) than others when they stand behind the cart blocking the aisle when pilots come out of the cockpit.
May 22, 2019, 1:12 pm
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Go with the bulkhead pair AB or GH especially if you dislike people reclining into you, and the PS seats have more recline than C+. More like Domestic F recline with less legroom than domestic F. Tons of overhead space
Bulkhead legroom is great but not enough for anyone to congregate there, especially if you use your own carry-on as an "ottoman"
No aisle bumping in B or G
Bulkhead legroom is great but not enough for anyone to congregate there, especially if you use your own carry-on as an "ottoman"
No aisle bumping in B or G
May 22, 2019, 1:15 pm
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May 22, 2019, 7:15 pm
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Otherwise take 20B. I would rather be next to a single person than take 20F and risk it being two parents with a young child in the 3 seats next to me.
May 22, 2019, 8:27 pm
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Any reports on C+ on the refurb -- assume row 30/31 is the best?
Booking soon for my SYD - LAX - RDU flights in a couple months and curious about the seats (though fingers crossed I get an attractive PS upgrade offer). Looks like if I leave as soon as possible (aka Friday), I can snag 31G (which looks to be unlimited legroom) and if I hang around Sydney for an extra day best option appears to be 30H though unclear how much legroom those exit rows C+ seats have.
Also curious how the C+ seats compare to row 44 from a legroom perspective -- when I flew last year on SYD - LAX, it was a no-brainer to take row 44 with the unlimited legroom vs. the C+ seats that had more limited space
Booking soon for my SYD - LAX - RDU flights in a couple months and curious about the seats (though fingers crossed I get an attractive PS upgrade offer). Looks like if I leave as soon as possible (aka Friday), I can snag 31G (which looks to be unlimited legroom) and if I hang around Sydney for an extra day best option appears to be 30H though unclear how much legroom those exit rows C+ seats have.
Also curious how the C+ seats compare to row 44 from a legroom perspective -- when I flew last year on SYD - LAX, it was a no-brainer to take row 44 with the unlimited legroom vs. the C+ seats that had more limited space
May 29, 2019, 3:44 pm
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My search-fu isn't working. Is there a new "best seats" thread for the updated 777s yet? Just used a GUC for one next month and have my choice of 2A, 2D, 6A, and 6D.
I've parked myself in 2D for right now, but considering swapping to 6D just to get off the plane and into the shower queue a hair quicker.
I've parked myself in 2D for right now, but considering swapping to 6D just to get off the plane and into the shower queue a hair quicker.
May 29, 2019, 5:28 pm
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There are 2 variables to the window seats:
Extended Desk and Storage below. Odd numbered "D" seats.
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This diagram pretty much shows you the orientation of the seat to the suite door and if the desk is on the left or right.
- Seat against suite door (with extended desk with storage bin underneath it) vs against window and no storage bin since room is needed for aisle egress.
- Desk on your right or left
Extended Desk and Storage below. Odd numbered "D" seats.
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This diagram pretty much shows you the orientation of the seat to the suite door and if the desk is on the left or right.
May 29, 2019, 7:25 pm
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Row 7 is missing a window (but you still get one), so 7A and 7D are no longer the wonderful seats that one got on the pre-modified 777s.
Is the same true for row 1 (1A and 1D)? Do these seats have any extra space?
Is the same true for row 1 (1A and 1D)? Do these seats have any extra space?
May 29, 2019, 7:45 pm
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I saw nothing special about the bulkhead seats 1A and 1D.
There is no center pair of suites in row 1 to make room for the upstairs crew rest, but it really doesn't make 1A and 1D feel any more private
May 29, 2019, 8:20 pm
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Thanks all! This is an eastbound TATL so sleep is the priority. I also generally try not to work on flights so table/desk space and storage isn't an issue. I don't even plan to eat dinner on the flight.
Does anyone know whether the front or rear galley is used more? That might make my decision between rows 2 and 6. I usually aim for seats on the right side of the plane because I tend to sleep on my right side.
Does anyone know whether the front or rear galley is used more? That might make my decision between rows 2 and 6. I usually aim for seats on the right side of the plane because I tend to sleep on my right side.
May 29, 2019, 8:24 pm
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Thanks all! This is an eastbound TATL so sleep is the priority. I also generally try not to work on flights so table/desk space and storage isn't an issue. I don't even plan to eat dinner on the flight.
Does anyone know whether the front or rear galley is used more? That might make my decision between rows 2 and 6. I usually aim for seats on the right side of the plane because I tend to sleep on my right side.
Does anyone know whether the front or rear galley is used more? That might make my decision between rows 2 and 6. I usually aim for seats on the right side of the plane because I tend to sleep on my right side.
At least a lot more than the A330.
All things considered, I'd take 6D.
If you don't want to be served, ask the FA to unlock your suite door early so you can close it. They tend to keep them locked open until dinner service is over since (I have been told by one FA) they are not allowed to serve over a closed suite door.
You can do it yourself with a little latch on the outside suite wall near the rear of the door while it is retracted, but let them do it for you. Don't want to potentially get off to a bad start with the crew!
May 29, 2019, 9:16 pm
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Front galley is used a lot.
At least a lot more than the A330.
All things considered, I'd take 6D.
If you don't want to be served, ask the FA to unlock your suite door early so you can close it. They tend to keep them locked open until dinner service is over since (I have been told by one FA) they are not allowed to serve over a closed suite door.
You can do it yourself with a little latch on the outside suite wall near the rear of the door while it is retracted, but let them do it for you. Don't want to potentially get off to a bad start with the crew!
At least a lot more than the A330.
All things considered, I'd take 6D.
If you don't want to be served, ask the FA to unlock your suite door early so you can close it. They tend to keep them locked open until dinner service is over since (I have been told by one FA) they are not allowed to serve over a closed suite door.
You can do it yourself with a little latch on the outside suite wall near the rear of the door while it is retracted, but let them do it for you. Don't want to potentially get off to a bad start with the crew!