Delta Compensation Definitive Thread
#196
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I was trying to fit 3 events into one day. One was in Atlanta, the other two were in Tampa. I didn't schedule the time or the place of any of them. Should I have caught an earlier flight, and missed out on Atlanta just on the assumption that Delta would make me late for the other two?
I'm an experienced flyer. I've had engine failures, go-arounds, snow ice and lightning strikes. I've been delayed over 24 hrs more than once.
I did anticipate Delta's negligence. I bought food to take on the plane for a 90 minute flight, even though I wasn't hungry, because I expected the plane to break down. When I'm forced to fly DL, they generally do.
You Delta flyers have your expectations set too low. This wasn't a thunderstorm or an air traffic delay. We waited precisely one minute on the runway when we eventually left. This was just Delta's lack of good maintennance. This is precisely when paying customers should expect compensation, otherwise DL is encouraged to continue running their planes unreliably. Do you know the last time I was on a plane that was delayed by a faulty air conditioner? It was the last time I flew Delta. Are you seeing a pattern? I try to avoid flying DL, but sometimes they just fit my itinerary, and I'm dumb enough to think they won't let me down this time. If I knew they had a financial disincentive to run their fleet this way, I would trust them and fly them more often.
I'm an experienced flyer. I've had engine failures, go-arounds, snow ice and lightning strikes. I've been delayed over 24 hrs more than once.
I did anticipate Delta's negligence. I bought food to take on the plane for a 90 minute flight, even though I wasn't hungry, because I expected the plane to break down. When I'm forced to fly DL, they generally do.
You Delta flyers have your expectations set too low. This wasn't a thunderstorm or an air traffic delay. We waited precisely one minute on the runway when we eventually left. This was just Delta's lack of good maintennance. This is precisely when paying customers should expect compensation, otherwise DL is encouraged to continue running their planes unreliably. Do you know the last time I was on a plane that was delayed by a faulty air conditioner? It was the last time I flew Delta. Are you seeing a pattern? I try to avoid flying DL, but sometimes they just fit my itinerary, and I'm dumb enough to think they won't let me down this time. If I knew they had a financial disincentive to run their fleet this way, I would trust them and fly them more often.
#197
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Delta TechOps has won more awards than I care to count, and is pulling in contract after contract to have their talent and skills put to work on many fleets, from all corners of the world. I'm sure that wouldn't happen if Delta had a "financial distinctive" for doing so. I've been on many, many Delta flights and have not once had to question the integrity of the aircraft that I was on.
I would absolutely agree here. Delta TechOps is one of the very best Aircraft maintenance operations in industry. The one thing I have never questioned is the safety and maintenance of their aircraft. They not only take pride in what they do, they take the safety and the maintenance of their aircraft very seriously. Even Boeing comes to them for advice and implements changes to their aircraft based on some of the retrofits that Delta TechOps has performed on their aircraft. So while we may have some issues with other aspects of Delta, Aircraft maintenance for me is never one of those issues.
#198
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I was trying to fit 3 events into one day. One was in Atlanta, the other two were in Tampa. I didn't schedule the time or the place of any of them. Should I have caught an earlier flight, and missed out on Atlanta just on the assumption that Delta would make me late for the other two?
I'm an experienced flyer. I've had engine failures, go-arounds, snow ice and lightning strikes. I've been delayed over 24 hrs more than once.
I did anticipate Delta's negligence. I bought food to take on the plane for a 90 minute flight, even though I wasn't hungry, because I expected the plane to break down. When I'm forced to fly DL, they generally do.
You Delta flyers have your expectations set too low. This wasn't a thunderstorm or an air traffic delay. We waited precisely one minute on the runway when we eventually left. This was just Delta's lack of good maintennance. This is precisely when paying customers should expect compensation, otherwise DL is encouraged to continue running their planes unreliably. Do you know the last time I was on a plane that was delayed by a faulty air conditioner? It was the last time I flew Delta. Are you seeing a pattern? I try to avoid flying DL, but sometimes they just fit my itinerary, and I'm dumb enough to think they won't let me down this time. If I knew they had a financial disincentive to run their fleet this way, I would trust them and fly them more often.
I'm an experienced flyer. I've had engine failures, go-arounds, snow ice and lightning strikes. I've been delayed over 24 hrs more than once.
I did anticipate Delta's negligence. I bought food to take on the plane for a 90 minute flight, even though I wasn't hungry, because I expected the plane to break down. When I'm forced to fly DL, they generally do.
You Delta flyers have your expectations set too low. This wasn't a thunderstorm or an air traffic delay. We waited precisely one minute on the runway when we eventually left. This was just Delta's lack of good maintennance. This is precisely when paying customers should expect compensation, otherwise DL is encouraged to continue running their planes unreliably. Do you know the last time I was on a plane that was delayed by a faulty air conditioner? It was the last time I flew Delta. Are you seeing a pattern? I try to avoid flying DL, but sometimes they just fit my itinerary, and I'm dumb enough to think they won't let me down this time. If I knew they had a financial disincentive to run their fleet this way, I would trust them and fly them more often.
In 2009, I consider it a good day when I arrive at my destination within 90 minutes of schedule.
In any case, do ask for compensation and let us know what you get.
Take care,
David H.
#199
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Thus far no one except the OP knows the exact details of what happened, so please put the standard flame-fest on hold.
Nonetheless, experienced travelers usually schedule trips with <90 min connection times with the expectation that they will misconnect, not the other way around.
Nonetheless, experienced travelers usually schedule trips with <90 min connection times with the expectation that they will misconnect, not the other way around.
#200
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Sorry, but that's like someone who schedules a January trip to Fargo, and then is pissed off because it's cold....
#201
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Ninety minutes late and the OP wants "compensation"? What has FT become with all the whiners demanding "compensation" for any minor inconvenience, inconvenience or travel hiccup. You are lucky you didnt get a middle seat between a pair of unwashed tobacco-chewing 330 pounders loudly asking you to change to their religion every 5 minutes and praying for you every time you refuse.
MisterNice
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#202
Join Date: May 2003
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Actually I would think regular FT'ers would know not to ask for compensation for a 90 minute delay; 1-2 hour delays (though not much more than that) are part of flying, regardless who is at fault. But, INfrequent travelers may see a 90 minute delay as absurd and complain to anyone who will listen. OP has <20 posts and joined this year; doesn't mean he/she isn't a frequent traveler, but that was the first thing I thought of when I read the complaint.
#203
Join Date: Mar 2009
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Most of you seem to be missing my point. I had a 90 minute delay on my journey into Atlanta: didn't disrupt my travel plans at all. On this later occasion, it did. Sometimes I have a lot going on, and if my plane is late, I miss something. It happens. I'm not going to slit my wrists. I'm not going to stop trying to get between tightly strung engagements just because I might be late.
More on my point: I had a delay out of EWR earlier in the year (don't recall the exact duration, but sam eorder of magnitude). It was weather. I didn't complain. CO automatically gave me some miles. If Delta has a similar program in place, I would just like to make sure I get the miles or whatever. If they don't, then I'm happy that I will be flying CO more than DL. It implies that CO thinks 90 minutes is a bigger deal than DL.
I would call myself an experienced flyer. Never actually counted up my miles, but for sure it's over 1 million, and six continents.
More on my point: I had a delay out of EWR earlier in the year (don't recall the exact duration, but sam eorder of magnitude). It was weather. I didn't complain. CO automatically gave me some miles. If Delta has a similar program in place, I would just like to make sure I get the miles or whatever. If they don't, then I'm happy that I will be flying CO more than DL. It implies that CO thinks 90 minutes is a bigger deal than DL.
I would call myself an experienced flyer. Never actually counted up my miles, but for sure it's over 1 million, and six continents.
#204
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Atlanta
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It is absolutely ludicrous to expect compensation for a 90 minute delay and that can only be among the expectations of someone careless and/or inexperienced enough to schedule himself so tightly that his trip is blown by such a minor glitch.
This is one of the "What should I get for compensation when nothing really happened" threads that we have been laughing about around here for years.
This is one of the "What should I get for compensation when nothing really happened" threads that we have been laughing about around here for years.
And if you ran late to work because you got a flat tire, would you expect Goodyear to send you a check for the hour of work that you missed? There's 24 hours in a day, if your schedule is so tight that 90 minutes causes so much of a ruckus for you, you have another thing coming for you. And with the WX in ATL lately, I'd say plan on a delay and hope for the best. I've lost all sympathy for passengers who wind up inconviencing themselves by creating stupid travel plans, for god's sake, if you're in a wheelchair or traveling alone with 5 kids, DON'T plan a 20 minute connection, or take the last flight of the night out of an outstation to a hub! (ESPECIALLY if you're catching an international flight!!)
The OP didn't appear to be in a wheelchair, nor was he traveling with 5 kids, nor did he try a 20-minute connection, so your anger/frustration towards these travelers(for whatever reason) is misdirected. Inexperience travelers will make mistakes due to inexperience, if you don't want to help, I am sure there are others who will.
I don't think anyone could have predicted the weather for 9/26 or 27 a couple of months ago, when most people make their travel plans. While seasoned travelers know there is an increased chance of storms this time of the year, an inexperienced traveler probably would not take weather into consideration. I don't want to sidetrack the topic, but what the OP described is a delay caused by a mechical problem, not weather, anyway.
Ninety minutes late and the OP wants "compensation"? What has FT become with all the whiners demanding "compensation" for any minor inconvenience, inconvenience or travel hiccup. You are lucky you didnt get a middle seat between a pair of unwashed tobacco-chewing 330 pounders loudly asking you to change to their religion every 5 minutes and praying for you every time you refuse.
MisterNice
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#205
Join Date: Aug 2008
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I just flew ATL-TPA - a journey of about 90 mins. We were delayed and arrived 90 mins late due to an air conditioning failure.
I realize that 90 minutes is not the longest delay we've ever experienced, but it caused me to miss two events out of my two day trip. Does DL have a compensation policy, or is it case-by-case? I was flying on a CO OnePass FF #. Do they sometimes give miles, and would that include non DL customers?
Thanks
I realize that 90 minutes is not the longest delay we've ever experienced, but it caused me to miss two events out of my two day trip. Does DL have a compensation policy, or is it case-by-case? I was flying on a CO OnePass FF #. Do they sometimes give miles, and would that include non DL customers?
Thanks
It is absolutely ludicrous to expect compensation for a 90 minute delay and that can only be among the expectations of someone careless and/or inexperienced enough to schedule himself so tightly that his trip is blown by such a minor glitch.
This is one of the "What should I get for compensation when nothing really happened" threads that we have been laughing about around here for years.
This is one of the "What should I get for compensation when nothing really happened" threads that we have been laughing about around here for years.
Honestly, you need to add more time when planning your flights. I am a 1.5-hr connector in ATL, no less. 1 hr for most other airports.
If I was the deciding person for compensation, you'd get 1,000 miles and a tip to plan better next time.
You never know at ANY airport.
#206
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90 mins delay & you missed 2 events? You should've leave the day before. Get over it. This is not Japan where trains and planes run 90% on-time. Another example of excessive greed.
I just flew ATL-TPA - a journey of about 90 mins. We were delayed and arrived 90 mins late due to an air conditioning failure.
I realize that 90 minutes is not the longest delay we've ever experienced, but it caused me to miss two events out of my two day trip. Does DL have a compensation policy, or is it case-by-case? I was flying on a CO OnePass FF #. Do they sometimes give miles, and would that include non DL customers?
Thanks
I realize that 90 minutes is not the longest delay we've ever experienced, but it caused me to miss two events out of my two day trip. Does DL have a compensation policy, or is it case-by-case? I was flying on a CO OnePass FF #. Do they sometimes give miles, and would that include non DL customers?
Thanks
#207
Join Date: Apr 2006
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So many issues here... If I get a flat tire, whether it caused me to be late or not, I would expect Goodyear to buy me a new tire, provided that it is still under waranty. Now, this is not the same with the airlines because we pay for each trip, instead of a lump sum. Hypothetically, if I could pay Goodyear to service my tires every 5,000 miles, and I get a flat tire, heck yeah I would expect them to pay.
The OP didn't appear to be in a wheelchair, nor was he traveling with 5 kids, nor did he try a 20-minute connection, so your anger/frustration towards these travelers(for whatever reason) is misdirected. Inexperience travelers will make mistakes due to inexperience, if you don't want to help, I am sure there are others who will.
I want to help, and have probably have helped more than anybody on this thread, purely for the fact that I deal with these passengers on a daily basis, at a job that pays me virtually nothing. While I may think that these passengers are totally at fault, it's still my job to help them the best I can, and the ability to not take things personally and not to assess by the situation but by the ultimate goal (to get from point A to point B) with a smile that comes from my passion for what I do. Not too many people at Delta (or the regional partners) have that, as you can find quite easily from many of the threads here.
#208
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I want to help, and have probably have helped more than anybody on this thread, purely for the fact that I deal with these passengers on a daily basis, at a job that pays me virtually nothing. While I may think that these passengers are totally at fault, it's still my job to help them the best I can, and the ability to not take things personally and not to assess by the situation but by the ultimate goal (to get from point A to point B) with a smile that comes from my passion for what I do. Not too many people at Delta (or the regional partners) have that, as you can find quite easily from many of the threads here.
#209
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I in no way mean to be harsh, but this is how I see it.
1. No, the OP is not entitled to conpensation for a 90 minute delayed flight.
2. To my knowledge, DL does not have a policy to compensate passengers who are delayed for 90 minutes due to mechanical failures.
3. The OP should never schedule things so tightly that a 90 minute delay in a flight will have a serious domino effect in his schedule, especially if he is an experienced flyer with more than 1 million miles in the air. Missing the meetings is his own fault, and it was just stupid to have scheduled them so tightly together if the meetings were at all important. It sounds like the meetings were not very important and so missing them should never have even been brought up, except the OP was trying to give impetus to his claim for compensation.
1. No, the OP is not entitled to conpensation for a 90 minute delayed flight.
2. To my knowledge, DL does not have a policy to compensate passengers who are delayed for 90 minutes due to mechanical failures.
3. The OP should never schedule things so tightly that a 90 minute delay in a flight will have a serious domino effect in his schedule, especially if he is an experienced flyer with more than 1 million miles in the air. Missing the meetings is his own fault, and it was just stupid to have scheduled them so tightly together if the meetings were at all important. It sounds like the meetings were not very important and so missing them should never have even been brought up, except the OP was trying to give impetus to his claim for compensation.
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#210
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More on my point: I had a delay out of EWR earlier in the year (don't recall the exact duration, but sam eorder of magnitude). It was weather. I didn't complain. CO automatically gave me some miles. If Delta has a similar program in place, I would just like to make sure I get the miles or whatever. If they don't, then I'm happy that I will be flying CO more than DL. It implies that CO thinks 90 minutes is a bigger deal than DL.
I would call myself an experienced flyer. Never actually counted up my miles, but for sure it's over 1 million, and six continents.
I would call myself an experienced flyer. Never actually counted up my miles, but for sure it's over 1 million, and six continents.
Here we go with the CO vs. DL battle.... Haven't seen this one in at least a day on FT. Waiting for one of my former NW peers to pipe in with a blast DL for not doing what NW would have done....
TPA must have been the problematic destination this week. After arriving int ATL from Key West 2 hours late on Thursday evening, it appeared that the TPA flight was on time. RIght before boarding, the pilots were pulled to work a prior TPA flight that had been delayed three hours due to a mechanical issue. New pilots were called in from home to work our 10:35 PM flight. The pilot and FO arrived around 11:45PM and the plane departed around 12:25AM.
I was delayed two times in the same day for two hours each, should I get double compensation for my troubles?
For the record, I did not complain, but may actually put a nice note in due to the fact that I was pretty impressed by how the gate agent handled things. Yes, friendly and helpful in ATL.... What a concept..
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