Delta MD80 skidss off runway @ LGA 11:09AM EST
Mar 5, 2015, 12:39 pm
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Yep..plus my cell phone and wallet/passports are on my person during takeoff and landing...
Mar 5, 2015, 12:56 pm
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I can see the rear FA doing an emergency deployment of the rear stairs, realizing that the angle of the aircraft to ground makes that exit unusable, and thus why we see it deployed but unused.
Disclaimer: I am not anywhere close to being an expert so anyone who knows anything about Mad Dogs should feel free to correct my guesses.
Mar 5, 2015, 1:10 pm
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Very glad that everyone on board and on the ground seems to be okay.
But, good lord. CNN, that bastion of reporting integrity, is stressing, based off a single, very far away still photo, that the rear landing gear failed or broke off. Followed by commentary about cancelled flights and a tone hinting at why wasn't this flight cancelled, too?
But, good lord. CNN, that bastion of reporting integrity, is stressing, based off a single, very far away still photo, that the rear landing gear failed or broke off. Followed by commentary about cancelled flights and a tone hinting at why wasn't this flight cancelled, too?
Earlier there was discussion of the flight landing with a tailwind. The reporter was saying that it's the pilot's ultimate responsibility to either accept or reject a runway/approach.
Mar 5, 2015, 1:22 pm
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From locating an MD 88 QRH online and looking at the performance inflight section, it would appear that with a 5 knot tailwind, flap 40 and POOR braking action reported, the weight would need to be around the 120000lb mark to land on the landing distance available of 7003ft on 13/31. Of course I don't have the braking action report as passed to the flight crew. But just looking at worse case. Those are back of a fag packet numbers and nowhere near as accurate as they can be worked out to.
From Boeing (MD)
Earlier photos before the overwing exits are open show the tailcone still on. I have no idea, but perhaps the tailcone drops off for some reason when the rear stairs are deployed in an emergency?
I can see the rear FA doing an emergency deployment of the rear stairs, realizing that the angle of the aircraft to ground makes that exit unusable, and thus why we see it deployed but unused.
Disclaimer: I am not anywhere close to being an expert so anyone who knows anything about Mad Dogs should feel free to correct my guesses.
I can see the rear FA doing an emergency deployment of the rear stairs, realizing that the angle of the aircraft to ground makes that exit unusable, and thus why we see it deployed but unused.
Disclaimer: I am not anywhere close to being an expert so anyone who knows anything about Mad Dogs should feel free to correct my guesses.
From Boeing (MD)
There are eight cabin emergency egress doors; a forward entrance door, service doors (right forward fuselage and left aft fuselage), four overwing emergency exit doors, (two each fuselage side), and, when the tail cone is jettisoned, the aft entrance door.
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When the aft entrance door is opened using the emergency exit handle, the tail cone is jettisoned and a slide is automatically deployed and inflated. A back-up inflation handle is provided on the aft entrance door slide should the slide fail to inflate automatically. All door slides, except aft entrance door slide, have integral emergency lighting.
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When the aft entrance door is opened using the emergency exit handle, the tail cone is jettisoned and a slide is automatically deployed and inflated. A back-up inflation handle is provided on the aft entrance door slide should the slide fail to inflate automatically. All door slides, except aft entrance door slide, have integral emergency lighting.
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Mar 5, 2015, 1:26 pm
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Mar 5, 2015, 1:26 pm
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Mar 5, 2015, 1:27 pm
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Well now that I hear everyone is ok I can worry about the aircraft now. From the video/pictures it doesn't look like the plane received too much damage (the wing looks intact, no gashes in the front of the aircraft) but then again there could be a ton of internal damage. Too bad, I love the MD88's. Glad it didn't go into the water either, would've been a lot more injuries or even fatalities.
Mar 5, 2015, 1:28 pm
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Mar 5, 2015, 1:29 pm
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Oh yeah, CNN's days as the bastion of reporting integrity ended years ago, but if there was any doubt, the Malaysia flight put a nail in the coffin of CNN's respectability.
Yeah. Judging by the photos, the news stations claiming the wing broke off are overstating things. (No surprise) It's fair to say the wing tip was clipped. Enough to spill fuel. In defense of the journalists, they got the "wing broken off" story from one of the passengers.
I'd love to start getting a sense of the repairability of this plane. I'm assuming this plane is not a total loss. It will fly again.
I don't know if ATC is in the same location as the tower cam, but the tower cam the local Fox station was streaming right after the news broke was white-out. Viewers couldn't even tell there was a plane out there. Probably no better for ATC.
Yeah. Judging by the photos, the news stations claiming the wing broke off are overstating things. (No surprise) It's fair to say the wing tip was clipped. Enough to spill fuel. In defense of the journalists, they got the "wing broken off" story from one of the passengers.
I'd love to start getting a sense of the repairability of this plane. I'm assuming this plane is not a total loss. It will fly again.
I don't know if ATC is in the same location as the tower cam, but the tower cam the local Fox station was streaming right after the news broke was white-out. Viewers couldn't even tell there was a plane out there. Probably no better for ATC.
Mar 5, 2015, 1:32 pm
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I wouldn't be surprised if DL just writes this plane off.
N909DL is a 27.7 year old frame, 6th oldest MD-88 left.
I'm not an expert in aircraft maintenance and repair, but what I've seen looks repairable IMO. Looks like:
-Nose damaged
-Front landing gear gone, back landing gear probably damaged too
-Both wings damaged
-Fuel leak
-Probably more things that aren't pointed out in the pictures/videos (tail strike, belly damage)
Not sure if DL would want to spend the money to repair this plane and then have it retire in 3 years if not less.
N909DL is a 27.7 year old frame, 6th oldest MD-88 left.
I'm not an expert in aircraft maintenance and repair, but what I've seen looks repairable IMO. Looks like:
-Nose damaged
-Front landing gear gone, back landing gear probably damaged too
-Both wings damaged
-Fuel leak
-Probably more things that aren't pointed out in the pictures/videos (tail strike, belly damage)
Not sure if DL would want to spend the money to repair this plane and then have it retire in 3 years if not less.
Mar 5, 2015, 1:34 pm
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That's if you don't consider Comair part of Delta, which had a CRJ crash in LEX back in 2007.