UA Plays Dirty and Kicks Delta Out of Dallas-Love
Sep 29, 2014, 6:18 pm
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United has decided to sit on their two gates at DAL and increase DAL-IAH to 12 daily ERJ-145's with 90 minute turns (that's long enough to turn an international widebody flight). No wonder UA is such a piss poor airline. Dumping rj's to prevent another airline from flying to ATL is downright childish.
Sep 29, 2014, 6:29 pm
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I don't know what is the minds of UA or DL, but is it possible that UA figured out that 90-minute turnarounds would mean more full planes whereas more frequency might mean not as full, rather than attacks on DL or Virgin? Also, doesn't DL own much of Virgin America?
Added: I have chastized about not knowing the various Virgins, which, to me, are confusing rather than having one airline, but Sir Branson is richer than I, so ..... I was wrong above.
Added: I have chastized about not knowing the various Virgins, which, to me, are confusing rather than having one airline, but Sir Branson is richer than I, so ..... I was wrong above.
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Sep 29, 2014, 6:30 pm
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Yes, very much so. The politicians artificially restricted DAL to 20 gates when it could have been built much bigger. DAL, LGA, and DCA are all anti-competitive with their artificial restrictions.
Sep 29, 2014, 6:38 pm
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Sep 29, 2014, 6:55 pm
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Me, if I were Jeffy $misek and I was doing battle with WN in most of my major hubs, I think I'd be happy to let the widget try to bleed WN a bit.
Delta owns 0% of Virgin America, it is financially independent of Virgin Atlantic.
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Sep 29, 2014, 6:55 pm
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DL owns 0% of Virgin America. They own 49% of Virgin Atlantic.
Sep 29, 2014, 6:56 pm
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Sep 29, 2014, 7:07 pm
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Huh? DL and Seaport were willing to pay the lease for the extra UA gate. DL wasn't thinking they would just get free use of it. Instead UA has decided to park a regional jet at the gate for an hour and half. How efficient.
Sep 29, 2014, 7:41 pm
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Why would UA park an RJ there when the gate is already theirs to begin with? There is nothing that would force UA to sublease to DL or anyone else. I guess having a plane there makes their case better if there were some sort of legal challenge? If it did go to court, it would be very easy to show that an RJ on a 90-minute turn is essentially the same thing as leaving the gate empty and shows just as much opposition to competition.
Sep 29, 2014, 7:45 pm
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The airport makes money on take off and landings as well as leasing out the gates? Correct?
If so, what UA is pulling costs DAL (Airport) money. Why not just park a plane at one gate 24/7. Perhaps UA can find an old 727 they retired back in the 80's. Or they could park a 747 and turn it into a hotel (if the runway is long enough to land).
This airport should have been leveled the day DFW opened - like Denver. Now one carrier WN controls 80% or more of the flts. Sounds fair to me.
If so, what UA is pulling costs DAL (Airport) money. Why not just park a plane at one gate 24/7. Perhaps UA can find an old 727 they retired back in the 80's. Or they could park a 747 and turn it into a hotel (if the runway is long enough to land).
This airport should have been leveled the day DFW opened - like Denver. Now one carrier WN controls 80% or more of the flts. Sounds fair to me.
Sep 29, 2014, 9:06 pm
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DL owns 0% of Virgin America. They own 49% of Virgin Atlantic.
This airport should have been leveled the day DFW opened
Sep 29, 2014, 9:07 pm
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DL or more NW was legendary for running competitors into the ground when they had someone playing games with them. So I will not be surprised if they pick one of UA's cash cow routes and provide cheap fares and high frequency on bigger aircraft. Cant hardly wait for it
Sep 29, 2014, 9:18 pm
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Well UA has a little rust building up in desert as well.
I can see LAX-ORD, LAX-DEN picking up some steam with DL.
When ValueJet (now WN) started LAS-ATL and LAX-ATL - DL doubled down. DL won. (DL went from 4-5 flts a day to 8-9).
DL used to handle Sun Country in LAS - after the merge with NW - DL bailed - ending the contract. Don't give DL service to Sun Country, I guess.
I love the fighting - it brings prices down! Win-win for me!
What UA is pulling at DAL is a complete joke. Where are the FED's on this.
90 min turn on a 50 seat RJ? Come on man!
Hate to say it, but this is not Texas Think.... It is Chicago think.
I can see LAX-ORD, LAX-DEN picking up some steam with DL.
When ValueJet (now WN) started LAS-ATL and LAX-ATL - DL doubled down. DL won. (DL went from 4-5 flts a day to 8-9).
DL used to handle Sun Country in LAS - after the merge with NW - DL bailed - ending the contract. Don't give DL service to Sun Country, I guess.
I love the fighting - it brings prices down! Win-win for me!
What UA is pulling at DAL is a complete joke. Where are the FED's on this.
90 min turn on a 50 seat RJ? Come on man!
Hate to say it, but this is not Texas Think.... It is Chicago think.