UA Plays Dirty and Kicks Delta Out of Dallas-Love
Sep 29, 2014, 9:26 pm
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Hate to say it, but this is not Texas Think.... It is Chicago think. 
Sep 29, 2014, 10:05 pm
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90 minutes is about perfect for a CRJ turn. Cushions some of the blow when those damnable fun sized planes break down as they seem to do so well.
Sep 29, 2014, 10:16 pm
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Sep 29, 2014, 11:23 pm
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Sep 29, 2014, 11:56 pm
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With the on time performance of UAs RJs being as bad as it is, a 90 minute scheduled ground time might give them a chance to depart DAL on schedule. 30 minute turns, or even 15 minute turns, are not a great deal of help in keeping an on time schedule if the inbound flight is perpetually running 60 minutes behind schedule.
These maneuvers should probably be viewed more as an effort by UA to effectively compete with Southwest in the DAL to Houston market than about anything UA is doing to DL.
These maneuvers should probably be viewed more as an effort by UA to effectively compete with Southwest in the DAL to Houston market than about anything UA is doing to DL.
Sep 30, 2014, 12:13 am
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Sep 30, 2014, 12:20 am
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There is nothing that would force UA to sublease to DL or anyone else. I guess having a plane there makes their case better if there were some sort of legal challenge? If it did go to court, it would be very easy to show that an RJ on a 90-minute turn is essentially the same thing as leaving the gate empty and shows just as much opposition to competition.
With the on time performance of UAs RJs being as bad as it is, a 90 minute scheduled ground time might give them a chance to depart DAL on schedule. 30 minute turns, or even 15 minute turns, are not a great deal of help in keeping an on time schedule if the inbound flight is perpetually running 60 minutes behind schedule.
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Yeah, but those are painful to do if you're full in and full out unless you've got rampers falling over each other. Also, pray nobody pink-tagged a bag. I did a 10 minute turn on an ERJ145 once. 35 off, 10 on.
Sep 30, 2014, 12:59 am
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More power to UA. I'm sure the brilliant minds in the Ivory tower in Chicago have more secret tricks up their sleeve. Perhaps they should start on how to reach profits like their peers.
Perhaps Alligiant will move into UA's turf. I know (the new) Frontier is.
DAL (airport) means very little to DL, UA or AA. It is an option for business flyers that do want to take WN. That's it.
Sep 30, 2014, 1:20 am
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It's an interesting move for UA, more power to 'em.
But seriously...a turn time at UA for a 70 seater is 29 minutes...and when I worked there we frequently did turns in 22-23. 30 is a breeze, anything over that was an absolute luxury.
But seriously...a turn time at UA for a 70 seater is 29 minutes...and when I worked there we frequently did turns in 22-23. 30 is a breeze, anything over that was an absolute luxury.
Sep 30, 2014, 1:31 am
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If UA/XJT wants the plane to sit, the plane can sit. You guys fail to see that DL parks CRJs at hubs for an hour or so. I've seen it in DTW where the last flight to home was already at the gate while I was boarding the afternoon flight! Heck, last winter they parked an RJ at our outstation for about 75 minutes during the week, every day. It's called padding your schedule. It allows you to be able to absorb delays, so it can run an ON-TIME operation. Also, see below. These people get it.
Sep 30, 2014, 4:34 am
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In this case, UA is the Lessee and DL is the requesting airline. If the city determines that UA's gates are not being fully utilized, the airport director could then require the Lessee (UA) to accommodate the requesting airline (DL) by sharing a portion of its Terminal Lease Area subject to the following conditions:
1. In case of a conflict between schedules of Lessee and the requesting airline, the Lessee shall have preferential use of its personnel and its Terminal Lease Area.
2. Lessee agrees that if requested to accommodate another carrier, pursuant to this paragraph, it will use its good faith efforts to effect such accommodation in a reasonable and equitable manner.
By increasing their turn times from 30 minutes to 90 minutes, UA has pretty much ensured that there will always be a conflict of schedules between them and DL, and as the Lessee, UA can keep DL out.
Sep 30, 2014, 5:22 am
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That would be true if UA had an "exclusive-use" lease on their gates, but they don't. All the gates at Love Field are leased on a preferential-use basis and each of those leases has a scarce resources provision.
In this case, UA is the Lessee and DL is the requesting airline. If the city determines that UA's gates are not being fully utilized, the airport director could then require the Lessee (UA) to accommodate the requesting airline (DL) by sharing a portion of its Terminal Lease Area subject to the following conditions:
1. In case of a conflict between schedules of Lessee and the requesting airline, the Lessee shall have preferential use of its personnel and its Terminal Lease Area.
2. Lessee agrees that if requested to accommodate another carrier, pursuant to this paragraph, it will use its good faith efforts to effect such accommodation in a reasonable and equitable manner.
By increasing their turn times from 30 minutes to 90 minutes, UA has pretty much ensured that there will always be a conflict of schedules between them and DL, and as the Lessee, UA can keep DL out.
In this case, UA is the Lessee and DL is the requesting airline. If the city determines that UA's gates are not being fully utilized, the airport director could then require the Lessee (UA) to accommodate the requesting airline (DL) by sharing a portion of its Terminal Lease Area subject to the following conditions:
1. In case of a conflict between schedules of Lessee and the requesting airline, the Lessee shall have preferential use of its personnel and its Terminal Lease Area.
2. Lessee agrees that if requested to accommodate another carrier, pursuant to this paragraph, it will use its good faith efforts to effect such accommodation in a reasonable and equitable manner.
By increasing their turn times from 30 minutes to 90 minutes, UA has pretty much ensured that there will always be a conflict of schedules between them and DL, and as the Lessee, UA can keep DL out.
Obviously, this new padded schedule was sufficient to convince the City Manager & Attorneys that they could not accommodate Delta according to the above quoted lease agreement clause, but would it convince a judge?
Also, what is the required turn time of a 717? 40 min? They could tow the UA ERJ to a remote stand, turn a DL 717, tow the ERJ back, and still have an on-time UA flight with 90-minute turns. It would get ugly with delays, I agree. However, if UA were turning over a new on-time leaf we would see this increased turn time at other outstations.
We'll see if Delta really cares about DAL if they decide to pursue this further...
Sep 30, 2014, 5:29 am
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I could understand if Delta was flying on competing routes with UA (DAL - IAH) but they are not. They are flying a non competitive route to ATL. This is total BS and childish by UA. Waiting for the day DL announces 6x daily ORD to LAX.