Skymiles Change Rumor?
Apr 19, 2012, 9:10 pm
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The one thing I don't get here is, if the SkyMiles program is "being driven out of loyalty" (bolding mine), i.e. will not be as part of the loyalty program anymore, then what will be the new loyalty program - if any? Or just the next-to-useless upgrades and SC access, plus SkyPriority boarding and checked bag tags, and that's it?
Apr 19, 2012, 9:11 pm
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Here is a link to a similar job post:
http://www.corp-corp.com/JS/JS_view_...18&aid=CPCSHP2
Mods, sorry if this direct link is a violation of forum rules.
http://www.corp-corp.com/JS/JS_view_...18&aid=CPCSHP2
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Apr 19, 2012, 9:36 pm
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I was not following this thread in full because it started marching "to its own drums"
But,
I can tell there are still multiple hirings for this project. Two days ago DL posted at least one (if not more) additional mid/senior level position for the project (a Senior Developer). It is aimed for
"the Fare Based Award Ticket Redemption (FBATR) project, which is part of the Evolution of SkyMiles (EOS) Program being driven out of Loyalty. This project changes how the customer redeems miles and improves the customer shopping experience. This project takes a phased iterative approach to achieving the project’s objectives and is divided into multiple releases. The initial implementation is currently scheduled for September of 2012.
design documentation from a Revenue Accounting perspective, to modify and unit test the Revenue Accounting application according to design, to work with the Test Team to ensure they know what was has changed and the type of data they will need to System and Integration Test the changes.
But,
I can tell there are still multiple hirings for this project. Two days ago DL posted at least one (if not more) additional mid/senior level position for the project (a Senior Developer). It is aimed for
"the Fare Based Award Ticket Redemption (FBATR) project, which is part of the Evolution of SkyMiles (EOS) Program being driven out of Loyalty. This project changes how the customer redeems miles and improves the customer shopping experience. This project takes a phased iterative approach to achieving the project’s objectives and is divided into multiple releases. The initial implementation is currently scheduled for September of 2012.
design documentation from a Revenue Accounting perspective, to modify and unit test the Revenue Accounting application according to design, to work with the Test Team to ensure they know what was has changed and the type of data they will need to System and Integration Test the changes.
So, I guess we should expect an announcement of the 'enhancements' to the program sometime around 8/31
, presuming the new schedule is met.
Apr 19, 2012, 10:01 pm
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I was not following this thread in full because it started marching "to its own drums"
But,
I can tell there are still multiple hirings for this project. Two days ago DL posted at least one (if not more) additional mid/senior level position for the project (a Senior Developer). It is aimed for
"the Fare Based Award Ticket Redemption (FBATR) project, which is part of the Evolution of SkyMiles (EOS) Program being driven out of Loyalty. This project changes how the customer redeems miles and improves the customer shopping experience. This project takes a phased iterative approach to achieving the project’s objectives and is divided into multiple releases. The initial implementation is currently scheduled for September of 2012. Candidate must have excellent C++, Java and Unix skills. Clear and concise English communication skills are an absolute must."
It requires
"
Responsibilities:
Candidate must have excellent communication skills (written and verbal), along with the ability to understand work assignments and provide a clear and concise status. Candidate should be a self-starter, have the ability to work independently, learn quickly, work multiple projects/efforts simultaneously, and be a great team player. Airline, travel industry, and revenue accounting experience is highly desired. The candidate will be expected to attend project meetings and working sessions, to understand requirements documentation that has been built by the analyst, to develop design documentation from a Revenue Accounting perspective, to modify and unit test the Revenue Accounting application according to design, to work with the Test Team to ensure they know what was has changed and the type of data they will need to System and Integration Test the changes.
5+ years experience
Responsible for participating and leading the development, maintenance, enhancement, and support of applications.
Essential Responsibilities*:
Understand business requirements in order to provide the technical design of computer software.
Possess programming expertise in standard programming languages in order to develop and maintain computer software.
Develop appropriate software and documentation according to standards.
Support and troubleshoot computer systems as required, optimizing performance, resolving problems, and providing timely follow up on all problems.
Follow Delta's standards and methodologies in the development and implementation of computer software.
*May perform other duties as assigned."
And it does include a direct reference to delta's specific processes and schedules. It also highlights a new revised initial date (Sep. 2012).
There are more of those around... just search for them--clearly Jeff thinks it is a good idea. I am not even sure if he is right or wrong. I am certain he is not honest in the communication to clients, though.
But,
I can tell there are still multiple hirings for this project. Two days ago DL posted at least one (if not more) additional mid/senior level position for the project (a Senior Developer). It is aimed for
"the Fare Based Award Ticket Redemption (FBATR) project, which is part of the Evolution of SkyMiles (EOS) Program being driven out of Loyalty. This project changes how the customer redeems miles and improves the customer shopping experience. This project takes a phased iterative approach to achieving the project’s objectives and is divided into multiple releases. The initial implementation is currently scheduled for September of 2012. Candidate must have excellent C++, Java and Unix skills. Clear and concise English communication skills are an absolute must."
It requires
"
Responsibilities:
Candidate must have excellent communication skills (written and verbal), along with the ability to understand work assignments and provide a clear and concise status. Candidate should be a self-starter, have the ability to work independently, learn quickly, work multiple projects/efforts simultaneously, and be a great team player. Airline, travel industry, and revenue accounting experience is highly desired. The candidate will be expected to attend project meetings and working sessions, to understand requirements documentation that has been built by the analyst, to develop design documentation from a Revenue Accounting perspective, to modify and unit test the Revenue Accounting application according to design, to work with the Test Team to ensure they know what was has changed and the type of data they will need to System and Integration Test the changes.
5+ years experience
Responsible for participating and leading the development, maintenance, enhancement, and support of applications.
Essential Responsibilities*:
Understand business requirements in order to provide the technical design of computer software.
Possess programming expertise in standard programming languages in order to develop and maintain computer software.
Develop appropriate software and documentation according to standards.
Support and troubleshoot computer systems as required, optimizing performance, resolving problems, and providing timely follow up on all problems.
Follow Delta's standards and methodologies in the development and implementation of computer software.
*May perform other duties as assigned."
And it does include a direct reference to delta's specific processes and schedules. It also highlights a new revised initial date (Sep. 2012).
There are more of those around... just search for them--clearly Jeff thinks it is a good idea. I am not even sure if he is right or wrong. I am certain he is not honest in the communication to clients, though.
Why would they list so many details about the project on a public site when their silence would indicate they want (or need to for legal reasons) keep their plans secret?
These job listings could be posted by anyone... why do you think DL posted them? This ENTIRE rumor could be a complete fabrication by individuals with a very dark sense of humor.
Maybe DL is kicking these ideas around and would like to change some things with the SM program... but all the inside info from "golfing buddies'" and job postings ads aren't worth a cup of spit.
That being said, for now I have stopped using my DL AMEX in favor of my UA branded CC. And for my summer trip to Europe, I used most of my DL miles and saved my UA miles for later... you know... just in case!
Apr 19, 2012, 11:27 pm
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I'm still using my DL Amex. I want to reach DM again this year and will need some Amex MQMs to do so, since I'm heavily focusing on RDM burn rather than additional spend. I figure this will be my last year as a DM under the new program, so I'd like to get it through 2/2014.
Apr 20, 2012, 2:09 am
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I am tempted to send an application, although the 5+ years of experience may kill it.
Apr 20, 2012, 8:05 am
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You know I might buy that this "job listing" is authentic if it were not for all the typos, and spelling and grammatical errors. Especially when the "Candidate must have excellent communication skills (written and verbal)"
Why would they list so many details about the project on a public site when their silence would indicate they want (or need to for legal reasons) keep their plans secret?
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Why would they list so many details about the project on a public site when their silence would indicate they want (or need to for legal reasons) keep their plans secret?
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I smell BS.
Apr 20, 2012, 8:55 am
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I'm starting to think that the job postings are fabricated. Even if some headhunter or recruiter posted the 3rd party job listings, I would expect to find a corresponding requisition on Delta's site, even if the listing was less detailed.
I was interested in Delta (actually interviewed for an RM internship during my MBA) and have never heard of them having job openings that weren't listed on their own site.
I'm not convinced that the whole rumor is a hoax, and there have been plenty of reports of people participating in focus groups and other such confirmations of changes afoot. But I think these job postings are BS.
Come on, they aren't even on the major 3rd party sites where Delta would be listing jobs first outside of their own career site!
Apr 20, 2012, 9:01 am
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Unless they contracted an external party to carry the project, and in that case, the third party would not release Delta's name on it's job opening.
Apr 20, 2012, 9:13 am
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The rumor mongers will stop at nothing. What's missing in life to make someone go so far?
Apr 20, 2012, 9:24 am
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Apr 20, 2012, 9:24 am
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Until Delta is ready to announce their proposed changes, everything is speculation.
That said, I do feel bad for the folks who believe this is a rumor/hoax without substance.
It's coming, sooner or later.
That said, I do feel bad for the folks who believe this is a rumor/hoax without substance.
It's coming, sooner or later.
Apr 20, 2012, 10:43 am
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Apr 20, 2012, 11:32 am
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The problem the rumor mongers have is they aren't offering anything specific, not even in the ball park as specific, but still claim to have inside sources. Where were these sources during all the past changes? I couldn't be further from Atlanta and I can tell you that sooner or later some unspecific changes are coming. Am I an insider now? Feel free to quote me.
Apr 20, 2012, 12:21 pm
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You know I might buy that this "job listing" is authentic if it were not for all the typos, and spelling and grammatical errors. Especially when the "Candidate must have excellent communication skills (written and verbal)"
Why would they list so many details about the project on a public site when their silence would indicate they want (or need to for legal reasons) keep their plans secret?
These job listings could be posted by anyone... why do you think DL posted them? This ENTIRE rumor could be a complete fabrication by individuals with a very dark sense of humor.
Why would they list so many details about the project on a public site when their silence would indicate they want (or need to for legal reasons) keep their plans secret?
These job listings could be posted by anyone... why do you think DL posted them? This ENTIRE rumor could be a complete fabrication by individuals with a very dark sense of humor.
I agree, this job posting sounds fishy. Why include "Skymiles" if you are not including the company name. Also I can't see a job posting mentioning the project in this way. It would have something generic about "implementing a new customer loyalty program." The date also doesn't ring true. Both in that it really has nothing to do with the job description and why hire a developer now when the project "rolls out" in less than six months.
I think somebody is trying to manufacture some "evidence" with this "job posting."