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josephstern May 31, 2024 6:20 pm


Originally Posted by progapanda (Post 36273476)
Is one able to track confirmed referrals somewhere on the Bilt app?

You just see them in your Points Activity.

lkar Jun 6, 2024 6:38 pm

Just got the card and was lucky get the 5x offer. Unfortunately, I only got a $10k credit limit. I put a charge on the card on the first day of the promo and paid it as soon as the charge posted but my credit limit didn't reset in time to get the last bonus points. Not a huge deal, but a little disappointing.

fredc84 Jun 7, 2024 6:35 am

We are moving at the end of the month and I just set up the new apartment info with Bilt. If I recall, when I did it for our current apartment, I had to use a routing number and account number that Bilt gave me so that I could use the 'rent protect' feature. I didn't see this feature for the new place, but it does have the 'protect' feature when I go to the payment screen and it lists the bank account I want them to use. Does that mean I don't need the Bilt provided routing and account numbers?

The new apartment is part of the Bilt alliance (our current one is not), so maybe that's the difference in setting it up.

Dr Jabadski Jun 7, 2024 9:47 am


Originally Posted by fredc84 (Post 36289026)
We are moving at the end of the month and I just set up the new apartment info with Bilt. If I recall, when I did it for our current apartment, I had to use a routing number and account number that Bilt gave me so that I could use the 'rent protect' feature. I didn't see this feature for the new place, but it does have the 'protect' feature when I go to the payment screen and it lists the bank account I want them to use. Does that mean I don't need the Bilt provided routing and account numbers?

The new apartment is part of the Bilt alliance (our current one is not), so maybe that's the difference in setting it up.

Captain*, I’m not familiar with “rent protect”, I did just find the following quotes on the Bilt website.

Based on my understanding of reading the 2 quotes below, the answer to your question is “yes”, if using BiltProtect the money (for rent) will be directly debited from your linked/inputted bank account and will not appear as a Bilt MC charge and will earn points.

Might be advantageous for people who are near their Bilt credit limit or for whom rent payment amount is a large % of their credit limit, not sure of other advantages. Personally I prefer my rent (condo fees) to be debited by the management company, seems that troubleshooting (management company vs WF) would be easier and also allowed me to relatively easily pay a significant assessment (and earn points) by asking the management company to do so. (Full disclosure, I’m still in good part expecting a Bilt shutdown letter.)

(Wiki updated to include link to this post, first I recall discussing BiltProtect.)

(* based on your Public Profile “B737 CA”, personally would prefer to use your Navy rank but that’s unknown, maybe also Captain)


BiltProtect Debit™ (On/Off tab) BiltProtect lets you pay rent without using your credit limit, by pulling the full rent payment directly from a connected bank account (kind of like a debit card).

With the Bilt Mastercard®, you can use BiltProtect and pay rent without using your available credit line and still earn points (1x on rent and up to 100,000 points per calendar year)**. When you submit rent payments with BiltProtect turned on, a withdrawal will be initiated from your linked bank account and money will be transferred to pay your rent through the Bilt Mastercard network. This will be reflected on both your Bilt Mastercard account statement under the BiltProtect Summary, and your Bilt account as two transactions canceling each other out. A BiltProtect ACH transaction is not a credit card transaction and will not affect your Bilt Mastercard account.

When BiltProtect is not on, you may charge your rent directly to your Bilt Mastercard and it will work like any other charge on your credit card. To avoid interest on charges on your card, make sure to pay your full statement balance before the due date each month.

fredc84 Jun 7, 2024 12:14 pm


Originally Posted by Dr Jabadski (Post 36289426)
Captain*, I’m not familiar with “rent protect”, I did just find the following quotes on the Bilt website.

Based on my understanding of reading the 2 quotes below, the answer to your question is “yes”, if using BiltProtect the money (for rent) will be directly debited from your linked/inputted bank account and will not appear as a Bilt MC charge and will earn points.

Might be advantageous for people who are near their Bilt credit limit or for whom rent payment amount is a large % of their credit limit, not sure of other advantages. Personally I prefer my rent (condo fees) to be debited by the management company, seems that troubleshooting (management company vs WF) would be easier and also allowed me to relatively easily pay a significant assessment (and earn points) by asking the management company to do so. (Full disclosure, I’m still in good part expecting a Bilt shutdown letter.)

(Wiki updated to include link to this post, first I recall discussing BiltProtect.)

(* based on your Public Profile “B737 CA”, personally would prefer to use your Navy rank but that’s unknown, maybe also Captain)

(LOL, LT when I left the navy.)
Actually, it all works the way you posted but the only difference is in my current set up, I had to input a (Bilt given) routing and account number in my landlord site. Those numbers don't show up now so I'm just checking if I actually need them.

chrisny2 Jun 7, 2024 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by fredc84 (Post 36289751)
(LOL, LT when I left the navy.)
Actually, it all works the way you posted but the only difference is in my current set up, I had to input a (Bilt given) routing and account number in my landlord site. Those numbers don't show up now so I'm just checking if I actually need them.

If your landlord is in the Bilt Alliance, you don't need the routing and account numbers. It's just automatically linked on their back end.

fredc84 Jun 7, 2024 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by chrisny2 (Post 36289810)
If your landlord is in the Bilt Alliance, you don't need the routing and account numbers. It's just automatically linked on their back end.

Oh, great. I was hoping that was the answer. Thanks!

tth6133 Jun 16, 2024 4:57 am

WSJ: Wells Fargo Bet on a Flashy Rent Credit Card. It Is Costing the Bank Dearly.
 

Bank is renegotiating deal with startup after incorrectly forecasting key revenue drivers...
https://www.wsj.com/finance/banking/...d=hp_lead_pos4

mia Jun 16, 2024 6:51 am

You may be able to read the article here, without a Wall Street Journal subscription:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...ly/ar-BB1ojsga


Wells is losing as much as $10 million every month on the program as savvy customers flock to the card, according to current and former employees. Executives made internal projections on key revenue drivers, such as the likelihood that cardholders would carry balances, that turned out to be inaccurate.... The financial losses triggered a renegotiation of the program that has been under way for months. Wells has told Bilt that it doesn’t intend to renew the contract, which is scheduled to end in 2029, unless economics are changed in its favor....A Bilt spokesman said that The Wall Street Journal’s reporting “is an inaccurate representation” of the partnership and that the company is “committed to a long term partnership with Wells Fargo that benefits all parties.”
The article includes details of the assumptions that Wells Fargo made and the actual results. It also mentions other banks which passed on the opportunity to issue the Bilt card, which suggests that Bilt would have difficulty moving the card to another issuer.

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Dr Jabadski Jun 16, 2024 7:48 am

Thank you for this important reference, you’re correct that those without a WSJ subscription are unable to read the article at WSJ.

The debate as to Bilt’s ongoing viability is long standing, from the Wiki: “There’s discussion of the long term viability of Bilt with some of those posts linked at the bottom of this post after “BREAK.”

It’s unsurprising that Bilt denies the problems, first rule of legal defense is “deny, deny, deny”. And of course “… inaccurate representation …” is meaningless and “… committed to a long term partnership …” is carefully worded; Bilt can be as “committed” as possible, doesn’t change anything regarding the financials.

Soapboxing which is not in the Wiki re: “The partnership has helped lift 34-year-old Bilt CEO … to billionaire status.” It’s sad and unfortunate that this may turn out to be yet another example of (the worst of) the American Way. Bilt’s CEO will undoubtedly get to keep his billions while WF and users will be left “holding the bag”, not unlike venture capitalists buying a company, draining every possible asset, mainly cash, taking large fees and salaries and then closing the company, putting many out of work and walking away with their millions or billions. To me it’s legalized theft and fraud.

mia Jun 16, 2024 7:57 am

I think there are parallels between Bilt and the Apple card: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cred...edit-card.html

No venture capitalists exploiting a partner in the Apple case, but both products were designed by people with little credit card experience, multiple issuers declined the opportunity, and the one which accepted is losing money. Wells Fargo is apparently so rattled by this error that they are backing away from (new) co-branded card partnerships altogether, rather than improving their processes based on what they learned.

Smiley90 Jun 16, 2024 8:15 am

Had my first fraud on the card. I only ever use it for rent payment and breakfast at my work cafeteria so I'm REALLY not sure why THIS is the card that's so fraud prone. Someone tried to buy 700 dollars worth of makeup in Poland.-shrug- at least it flagged it and they'll send me a new card. But how this happens is beyond me, given my workplace definitely doesn't have a skimmer and neither does my rent/HOA portal.

mia Jun 16, 2024 9:48 am


Originally Posted by Smiley90 (Post 36309091)
.... not sure why THIS is the card that's so fraud prone..

This is mentioned in the article:

The program has also been hit by fraud. Random account numbers and expiration dates are generated when new cards are given to customers, but the process for the Bilt card wasn’t so random, which opened the door to swindlers. Last summer, they created fake Bilt card accounts and went shopping with them, leading to losses for Wells.

notquiteaff Jun 16, 2024 9:53 am


Originally Posted by Smiley90 (Post 36309091)
Had my first fraud on the card. I only ever use it for rent payment and breakfast at my work cafeteria so I'm REALLY not sure why THIS is the card that's so fraud prone. Someone tried to buy 700 dollars worth of makeup in Poland.-shrug- at least it flagged it and they'll send me a new card. But how this happens is beyond me, given my workplace definitely doesn't have a skimmer and neither does my rent/HOA portal.

From the article discussed just above your post:

”The program has also been hit by fraud. Random account numbers and expiration dates are generated when new cards are given to customers, but the process for the Bilt card wasn’t so random, which opened the door to swindlers. Last summer, they created fake Bilt card accounts and went shopping with them, leading to losses for Wells.”

WF isn’t exactly new to the credit card business, so how something like this could happen is strange…

(edit: mia beat me to it. Should have refreshed the page before posting the quote after reading the article)

Smiley90 Jun 16, 2024 11:09 am


Originally Posted by mia (Post 36309267)
This is mentioned in the article:


Originally Posted by notquiteaff (Post 36309278)
From the article discussed just above your post:

”The program has also been hit by fraud. Random account numbers and expiration dates are generated when new cards are given to customers, but the process for the Bilt card wasn’t so random, which opened the door to swindlers. Last summer, they created fake Bilt card accounts and went shopping with them, leading to losses for Wells.”

WF isn’t exactly new to the credit card business, so how something like this could happen is strange…

(edit: mia beat me to it. Should have refreshed the page before posting the quote after reading the article)

Didn't read the article, that'll teach me. Just saw the subscribed thread pop up. :D But that makes sense, I suppose. I hope they changed the algorithm?


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