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ConciergeMike Nov 19, 2009 2:12 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 12848236)
I've overheard many conversations that have gone like this on the past few weeks:

Pax: are there any pillows or blankets?
CO FA: no, I'm sorry.
Pax: I swear you had them on my flight last month.
CO FA: due to swine flu fears, they've removed them from domestic flights
Pax: :rolleyes:

I joined a Facebook group called "Not Panicking About Swine Flu".

bdjohns1 Nov 19, 2009 2:12 pm


Originally Posted by GTITAN (Post 12848212)
IMHO, you cannot really run a successful operation when labor is so infuriated with management that it is angered when its customer base is ultimately benefited. A modicum of discord as between the sides is to be expected, but all out conflict can never result in anything but a zero sum game. Reasonable folk can differ on this I grant.


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 12848215)
The UA FA's might want to consider that had they not usurped F seats from customers, the airline would possibly be in better health today.

This is just my POV, but I think the attitude displayed by the union rep making that comment is indicative of what is wrong with some labor unions. They expect management to kowtow to their every demand without giving 100% on the job, or in the "Employee Class" examples, deliberately doing less than their job to make each other happy as opposed to satisfying the customer.

colpuck Nov 19, 2009 2:13 pm

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Originally Posted by ConciergeMike

Originally Posted by GTITAN (Post 12848218)
Very true, but CO and UA could (and likely will) institute some sort of SWU reciprocity which could have the same impact I would think.

The New SWU should have a higher minimum bucket on it. Take it up just one and get it out of deep discount.

But that is all we fly. Too high and the benefit becomes a detriment.

kingalien Nov 19, 2009 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 12848216)
Where's everyone at with Mileathon?

As of the end of October I have 56 points. Although I should have around 14 online check-ins credited so far... plus another 20-30 points from flights taken between now and when the last batch posted.

a big fat zero for me.

sfogate Nov 19, 2009 2:14 pm


Originally Posted by ssullivan (Post 12848222)
Agreed. But the H1N1 rumor keeps popping up.

Apparently some people in that thread would be better served to live in a sterile plastic bubble and never come out. There's a good reason we have immune systems. Nothing is sterile.

The H1N1 rumor was/is a good reason to pull the pillows and blankets off the planes today. There is just no way that CO or any airline can afford to laundry these items on a daily basis.

I do see a day when we will sell pillows and blankets on board but I do believe the days of every seat containing a pillow/blanket are long gone unless airfares climb dramatically.

ConciergeMike Nov 19, 2009 2:14 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 12848216)
Where's everyone at with Mileathon?

As of the end of October I have 56 points. Although I should have around 14 online check-ins credited so far... plus another 20-30 points from flights taken between now and when the last batch posted.

Six points. Yay me.

colpuck Nov 19, 2009 2:15 pm

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Unions give the member the idea that it is all about them. They fail to understand that if the company ain't making money, they ain't making money.

ConciergeMike Nov 19, 2009 2:16 pm


Originally Posted by bdjohns1 (Post 12848255)
This is just my POV, but I think the attitude displayed by the union rep making that comment is indicative of what is wrong with some labor unions. They expect management to kowtow to their every demand without giving 100% on the job, or in the "Employee Class" examples, deliberately doing less than their job to make each other happy as opposed to satisfying the customer.

Home run, sir.

sfogate Nov 19, 2009 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by bdjohns1 (Post 12848255)
This is just my POV, but I think the attitude displayed by the union rep making that comment is indicative of what is wrong with some labor unions. They expect management to kowtow to their every demand without giving 100% on the job, or in the "Employee Class" examples, deliberately doing less than their job to make each other happy as opposed to satisfying the customer.

I don't think the unions are doing anyone a favor these days. But then again airline management have sold alot of their employees down the river, while they have laughed all the way to the bank.

J.Edward Nov 19, 2009 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by GTITAN (Post 12848218)
Very true, but CO and UA could (and likely will) institute some sort of SWU reciprocity which could have the same impact I would think.


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike
The New SWU should have a higher minimum bucket on it. Take it up just one and get it out of deep discount.

Actually I'd argue the opposite: SWUs should be issued without restrictions and mirror the existing (and proven) upgrade system.

In otherwords, a SWU on CO would exempt the bearer from the mileage requirement but not the cash component (assuming a sub B fare.)

CO does not want is for someone who'd buy a J fare to opt for a Y fare instead and upgrade -- but by channeling SWUs through the existing mileage upgrade system the upgrade bucket remains tightly controlled by RM, additional loyalty can be fostered by existing customers, CO can retain the cash component from copays (or enjoy customers purchasing a higher fare class to avoid the copay) and extend SWU-ability to AC/LH/UA...plus get extra $$$ from partner elites.

But that's just my $.02

GTITAN Nov 19, 2009 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by J.Edward (Post 12848241)

^^, A picture is worth a thousand words!


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 12848247)
The New SWU should have a higher minimum bucket on it. Take it up just one and get it out of deep discount.

Yeah, I don't see any sign that UA and CO will go the AA route and make SWUs applicable to all "paid and non-opaque" classes. Still, it could start to limit employee access to the BF Cabins in theory.:)

icurhere2 Nov 19, 2009 2:20 pm


Originally Posted by kingalien (Post 12848264)
a big fat zero for me.

That's precisely my standing as well.

icurhere2 Nov 19, 2009 2:20 pm

Another lecture down, time to go home.

colpuck Nov 19, 2009 2:21 pm

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Are there new merger talks?

colpuck Nov 19, 2009 2:21 pm

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Originally Posted by icurhere2

Originally Posted by kingalien (Post 12848264)
a big fat zero for me.

That's precisely my standing as well.

Ditto.


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