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ssullivan Nov 19, 2009 2:02 pm


Originally Posted by colpuck (Post 12847689)
Someone summon http://ridingabuttertub.com/wp-conte...1/kool-aid.jpg


I think so. I so love deploying that pic.

Some of my lunch just came back up.

ConciergeMike Nov 19, 2009 2:03 pm


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 12848175)
This might "hurt" UA's employees (I don't know their non-rev rules) but not CO's....we rarely are seated in F domestically. If this benefit goes one step more (for International flights) you will see alot of pissed off employees at CO.

Overwater flights going to EUA will never happen - too much revenue there.

GTITAN Nov 19, 2009 2:04 pm


Originally Posted by bdjohns1 (Post 12848191)
I think Seth tweeted a link to this on his blog earlier in the day.

IMHO, you cannot really run a successful operation when labor is so infuriated with management that it is angered when its customer base is ultimately benefited. A modicum of discord as between the sides is to be expected, but all out conflict can never result in anything but a zero sum game. Reasonable folk can differ on this I grant.

ConciergeMike Nov 19, 2009 2:04 pm

The UA FA's might want to consider that had they not usurped F seats from customers, the airline would possibly be in better health today.

bdjohns1 Nov 19, 2009 2:04 pm


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 12848175)
This might "hurt" UA's employees (I don't know their non-rev rules) but not CO's....we rarely are seated in F domestically. If this benefit goes one step more (for International flights) you will see alot of pissed off employees at CO.

There have in the past been reported cases on UA where non-revs may have been seated in premium cabins when elite customers using upgrades should have had first crack at them. In at least 1 thread I remember reading, an off-duty F/A self-upgraded to an otherwise-full front cabin during boarding, and the working F/A downgraded a paid customer to an E- middle.

I've never witnessed the phenomenon personally, so I can't speak to the veracity of the tales, but there are some in the UA forum celebrating the demise of "Employee Class".

belynch Nov 19, 2009 2:04 pm

Where's everyone at with Mileathon?

As of the end of October I have 56 points. Although I should have around 14 online check-ins credited so far... plus another 20-30 points from flights taken between now and when the last batch posted.

GTITAN Nov 19, 2009 2:05 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 12848208)
Overwater flights going to EUA will never happen - too much revenue there.

Very true, but CO and UA could (and likely will) institute some sort of SWU reciprocity which could have the same impact I would think.

ssullivan Nov 19, 2009 2:06 pm


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 12848190)
I can only think of two reasons that we stopped with the pillows and blankets: cost and turn time of the aircraft.

Agreed. But the H1N1 rumor keeps popping up.

Apparently some people in that thread would be better served to live in a sterile plastic bubble and never come out. There's a good reason we have immune systems. Nothing is sterile.

icurhere2 Nov 19, 2009 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by colpuck (Post 12848079)
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Wikipedia probably has an article on the prisoner's dilemma.

Probably edited recently as well ;)

belynch Nov 19, 2009 2:09 pm


Originally Posted by ssullivan (Post 12848222)
Agreed. But the H1N1 rumor keeps popping up.

I've overheard many conversations that have gone like this on the past few weeks:

Pax: are there any pillows or blankets?
CO FA: no, I'm sorry.
Pax: I swear you had them on my flight last month.
CO FA: due to swine flu fears, they've removed them from domestic flights
Pax: :rolleyes:

sfogate Nov 19, 2009 2:09 pm


Originally Posted by bdjohns1 (Post 12848217)
There have in the past been reported cases on UA where non-revs may have been seated in premium cabins when elite customers using upgrades should have had first crack at them. In at least 1 thread I remember reading, an off-duty F/A self-upgraded to an otherwise-full front cabin during boarding, and the working F/A downgraded a paid customer to an E- middle.

I've never witnessed the phenomenon personally, so I can't speak to the veracity of the tales, but there are some in the UA forum celebrating the demise of "Employee Class".

Yes, I have read those stories too. UA has different rules for their deadheading crews from CO and some of that could be part of the issue. Of course shenanigans are everywhere.

ssullivan Nov 19, 2009 2:09 pm


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 12848175)
This might "hurt" UA's employees (I don't know their non-rev rules) but not CO's....we rarely are seated in F domestically. If this benefit goes one step more (for International flights) you will see alot of pissed off employees at CO.

It will hurt them because with the current upgrade system, empty seats in F aren't all that uncommon on UA flights. When there are empty seats, and employees on board, the employees fill up F. In the last three weeks I've been on four UA flights operated with the E70, 319, or 320 where F was only about half full with paying customers, and the rest of the seats were filled with deadheading employees. Usually these were flights where Y was running less than 80% full. It's basically the same deal as with CO now, where CO employees end up in F if there's a seat available. The difference is that an open seat in F on CO is a much rarer thing thanks to CO's upgrade policy than it is on UA with the current upgrade rules. Once UA changes elite upgrades to match what CO is doing, those empty F seats are going to disappear quick.

J.Edward Nov 19, 2009 2:10 pm


Originally Posted by GTITAN (Post 12848212)
IMHO, you cannot really run a successful operation when labor is so infuriated with management that it is angered when its customer base is ultimately benefited.


ConciergeMike Nov 19, 2009 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by GTITAN (Post 12848218)
Very true, but CO and UA could (and likely will) institute some sort of SWU reciprocity which could have the same impact I would think.

The New SWU should have a higher minimum bucket on it. Take it up just one and get it out of deep discount.

colpuck Nov 19, 2009 2:11 pm

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Trust me, UA employees do not care about revenue passengers.


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