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Hartmann Jun 10, 2009 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11885836)
Couple of bad guys deleted, conveniently on one flight, well away from the US? Nah, no coincidence there. If it were a flight loaded with Americans, that's a different argument. Too good of a target to pass up, I say. Whether it was the French, the US, the British, or Israel I won't say. But whenever something like this comes up, you can bet it was one of those four.

Don't label me a nutcase or a conspiracy theorist until you have read the books that I have read. Everyone thinks that the US-Israeli relationship is pretty much happy-happy, but virtually no one knows that the IAF strafed the crap out of an American seaborne listening post in 1967. The Israelis correctly guessed that the US boat had intercepted conversations that confirmed the commission of atrocities and war crimes, so they killed servicemen and destroyed military property of their greatest ally rather than solve the problem via backchannel. Had they asked nicely, I'm reasonably sure the intercepts would have disappeared.

I'm sure that the Israelis do some backchannel stuff, just like the CIA, but I am not sure they have it in them to take down a civilian plane to knock-off a few terrorists. Now, if the plane was carrying Ahmadinejad then we may be on to something.

What war crimes and atrocities would they have been discussing? I backup Israel when the questions come to their validity as a state, but we need to be critical of them when it comes to war crimes. They, as much as anyone, should understand the ramifications of committing crimes against humanity. Then again, even if Israel is held accountable, that will not be enough for the Palestinians and they'll still blow up school buses.

Steph3n Jun 10, 2009 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 11886003)
I'm sure that the Israelis do some backchannel stuff, just like the CIA, but I am not sure they have it in them to take down a civilian plane to knock-off a few terrorists. Now, if the plane was carrying Ahmadinejad then we may be on to something.

What war crimes and atrocities would they have been discussing? I backup Israel when the questions come to their validity as a state, but we need to be critical of them when it comes to war crimes. They, as much as anyone, should understand the ramifications of committing crimes against humanity. Then again, even if Israel is held accountable, that will not be enough for the Palestinians and they'll still blow up school buses.

It all depends on who they were, I hope it wasn't anything like this, but if it was I'd seriously question their thinking. Of course it won't be this officially, and maybe 5 decades down the road we'd find out if it was....

ConciergeMike Jun 10, 2009 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 11886003)
I'm sure that the Israelis do some backchannel stuff, just like the CIA, but I am not sure they have it in them to take down a civilian plane to knock-off a few terrorists. Now, if the plane was carrying Ahmadinejad then we may be on to something.

What war crimes and atrocities would they have been discussing? I backup Israel when the questions come to their validity as a state, but we need to be critical of them when it comes to war crimes. They, as much as anyone, should understand the ramifications of committing crimes against humanity. Then again, even if Israel is held accountable, that will not be enough for the Palestinians and they'll still blow up school buses.

Wiki version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

The war crimes that were being discussed were the murders of civilians and prisoners of war and their subsequent mass grave burial at el-Arish. What was particularly nauseating was Israel's steadfast refusal until late in the Carter administration to pay settlements to the victims' families or to compensate the US Navy for their destroyed ship. The fact that the US even did get money from Israel ended up being a buried news item, because the same day that Israel agreed to a greatly reduced payout was the day that the Iranian Embassy was stormed.

jrzyshawn Jun 10, 2009 12:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter
Back to reality... Teh festering pit is especially humid today, and there's a pile of work 3 feet high waiting on my desk. :rolleyes:

welcome back. I hope you had an excellent time. can't wait to see pictures.

jrzyshawn Jun 10, 2009 12:48 pm

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Originally Posted by rolov

Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11884772)
Not in that "I told you so" kind of way, but I'm curious to know if I was accurate about the Sheraton. Did you not like it for some (or many) reason/reasons?

Welcome back, ALCO.

He may be hotel hopping for spg free weekend purposes.

I think I may hop twice to get the free weekend to use in ZRH

ConciergeMike Jun 10, 2009 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 11886003)
I'm sure that the Israelis do some backchannel stuff, just like the CIA, but I am not sure they have it in them to take down a civilian plane to knock-off a few terrorists. Now, if the plane was carrying Ahmadinejad then we may be on to something.

Can't say that I share that level of trust. A quick check of the nationality list on the flight reveals no Israelis.

Scott6067 Jun 10, 2009 12:50 pm


Originally Posted by COFlyerCLE (Post 11885807)
Afternoon Box!

I've been slogging through very exciting things like the Code of Federal Regs, the Texas Administrative Code, and now - the Controlled Substances Act. Ugghh. If you never thought the government was out of control before - you need to read some of this, um... cr*p :)

I don't know how ALCO does it! :rolleyes:

Calgon... take me away.............................................. ............

Shouldnt that be Colgan or Continental Connection??? Oh that is right you are at DFW not CLE!


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 11885895)
Grey Goose and sweet tea is ^

Anyway, I just described this Friday's morning pending on-board breakfast of champions over in the (SkyTeam partner) Lounge: bananas, biscoffs, and bourbon. Any questions?

BTW, have you tried the Sweet Tea Vodka or something like that?

belynch Jun 10, 2009 12:50 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11885890)
I should make it into Philly for drinks, but unfortunately nothing earlier.

Okie doke. Where are we meeting?

ConciergeMike Jun 10, 2009 12:53 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 11886196)
Okie doke. Where are we meeting?

How bout at Maggiano's? It's a block from you and it's easy for me to park, since I can use the Convention Center garage. I can pick up CO 1E if he so desires. Speaking of which, if he is staying at the Westin, there should be a concierge there in the mornings named Richard. Tell him Mike from Atlantic City said hi.

COFlyerCLE Jun 10, 2009 12:55 pm


Originally Posted by Scott6067 (Post 11886194)
Shouldnt that be Colgan or Continental Connection??? Oh that is right you are at DFW not CLE!

Nope. No Colgan for me. The most risk I take at this point is boarding CHQ flights.

:rolleyes:

belynch Jun 10, 2009 12:55 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11886184)
A quick check of the nationality list on the flight reveals no Israelis.

A quick check of the forum reveals that we are not in Omni P/R.

belynch Jun 10, 2009 12:57 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11886214)
How bout at Maggiano's?

Works for me. I'll be standing outside. Just BBM when you're parking.

Steph3n Jun 10, 2009 1:00 pm


Originally Posted by COFlyerCLE (Post 11886220)
Nope. No Colgan for me. The most risk I take at this point is boarding CHQ flights.

:rolleyes:

I fly Colgan Saabs weekly, proudly :D

ConciergeMike Jun 10, 2009 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 11886228)
A quick check of the forum reveals that we are not in Omni P/R.

Having this discussion here is one way to keep it civilized and intelligent. Opening such a topic in PR is its antithesis.


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 11886236)
Works for me. I'll be standing outside. Just BBM when you're parking.

Will do.

In other news, I just installed Safari 4. Much nicer than the previous version, although the lack of a new tab button and a recent page dropdown menu still annoy me.

ETA: Just found the new tab button.

baglady Jun 10, 2009 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by Steve GadFly (Post 11883962)
Is it just me or is that dude kinda creepy?!

He is beyond creepy. For a "fitness guru" he has a strange body.


Originally Posted by Phudnik (Post 11884092)
The only other April-related poetry I can remember is the beginning of The Canterbury Tales, but I don't post here nearly enough to get away with the :rolleyes: of quoting in Middle English.

Guess you need to be posting more ;)


Originally Posted by KNRG (Post 11884222)
Paris is going well, if anyone was curious.

I'm glad it's going well. Is your french improving?


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 11884372)
In other stuff of the morning I just got a real nice lead on an employment opportunity.

^


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 11884464)
Back to reality... Teh festering pit is especially humid today, and there's a pile of work 3 feet high waiting on my desk. :rolleyes:

Welcome back!


Originally Posted by CO 1E (Post 11884610)
BL Jr has the same birthday as my sister.

Great date! I've had a few friends ask me what I'm doing for her party this year and according to my calendar it's 4 months away; I can't plan that far in advance.


Originally Posted by MilesDavis (Post 11884863)
Howdy, box. Oh, how I've missed you.

Thank you for visiting ;)


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