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Anglo Large Clawed Otter May 18, 2009 12:59 pm

New dots and lines coming up. Looks like I'll be doing HOU-DFW-GGG-DFW-IAH in late June. HOU-DFW and DFW-GGG will be new, and I get an MD-83 on the way back. It has been a while since I was on one of those.

ConciergeMike May 18, 2009 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by CO 1E (Post 11767867)
DKR is a real hub these days.

GRU-DKR-IST would be a pretty sweet looking FM line.

rkkwan May 18, 2009 1:02 pm

My F28 will be delivered in 5 hours. Yeah!

So, nobody else is going for the multi-hub model in the 3rd World?

Hartmann May 18, 2009 1:03 pm


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 11767906)
My F28 will be delivered in 5 hours. Yeah!

So, nobody else is going for the multi-hub model in the 3rd World?

Give me a few days and I will.

ConciergeMike May 18, 2009 1:05 pm

I'm still loving World 1.0 - these 762ER's rule.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter May 18, 2009 1:08 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11767929)
I'm still loving World 1.0 - these 762ER's rule.

When does 2.0 begin? And, will you be joining us in the Third World? Your fleet of Ilyushins awaits...

Anglo Large Clawed Otter May 18, 2009 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 11767906)
My F28 will be delivered in 5 hours. Yeah!

So, nobody else is going for the multi-hub model in the 3rd World?

I will probably start up a new hub in the next few days.

sdm1130 May 18, 2009 1:10 pm

Gold prices are :rolleyes:.

kingalien May 18, 2009 1:12 pm

Boy, Box was busy the last couple of days.

So took the IAD-LHR at 1800 hours on Friday, only 19 out of the 40+ C seats occupied on UA (777).

Came back today and had the chance to try UA's new C seats on a 767. Very similar to the prototype C seat CO is planning to install. One of the few times I actually slept on a lie flat. For some reason I sleep better at an angle instead of the lie flats. The AVOD was nice even though it had to be rebooted twice to get it going right. C cabin on the return flight was 2/3 full.

kingalien May 18, 2009 1:15 pm


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 11767959)
Gold prices are :rolleyes:.

Sure is. Gave a graduation present to a buddy about 7 years ago, was a silver ingot and a one ounce gold American Eagle to commemorate the year. I asked for the gold back recently :D. Needless to say the answer was no.

rkkwan May 18, 2009 1:15 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11767859)
It's costing me $260MM monthly to keep my fleet in the air. :eek:


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11767929)
I'm still loving World 1.0 - these 762ER's rule.

Those maintenance cost (365K for me) basically makes continuous expansion in AM 1.0 not worth it.

I can't believe that with like 80 jets, including over 40 767s, my DOC in AM1.0 is less than 20x that of my five HS748s, one An-24 and one Shorts 360 in Third World. And the actual monthly profit is even fewer multiples.

sbm12 May 18, 2009 1:17 pm


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 11767906)
So, nobody else is going for the multi-hub model in the 3rd World?

Maybe when I get my next plane. Not really sure I want to drop the $6-12MM to do it.

Again one of the things I dislike about the AM world. Who starts an airline with one plane, one hub and half a million in the bank??

rkkwan May 18, 2009 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 11767989)
Maybe when I get my next plane. Not really sure I want to drop the $6-12MM to do it.

My rationale is that you save on gate fees, which are charged each month, while the hub outlay is just one-time. By running multiple hubs, you get a lot more out of those gate fees over time. Also, from single hub, you'll soon run out of big markets nearby. So, it's either less profits from thinner routes, or have to run longer routes (more expensive planes taking more time) to get to those far away big markets.

ConciergeMike May 18, 2009 1:22 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 11767947)
When does 2.0 begin? And, will you be joining us in the Third World? Your fleet of Ilyushins awaits...

2.0 is being set up tomorrow. I think I'll pass on Third World. I'd rather sink those tokens into making 2.0 better, either thru quantity of hubs or starting cash.

ConciergeMike May 18, 2009 1:23 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 11767989)
Who starts an airline with one plane, one hub and half a million in the bank??

ALCO. :p


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