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ConciergeMike May 5, 2009 2:31 pm


Originally Posted by zippypinhead (Post 11699522)
CM, I noticed you posted last over there. What's the outlook for the original poster? Is he getting miles or a de-lousing?

He was getting trounced pretty well this morning. Now it's nothing but bug jokes and complaints about the :rolleyes: nature of recent threads. If that's a complaint being leveled in UA-land, we're all screwed.

KNRG May 5, 2009 2:31 pm

I hate people :(

rolov May 5, 2009 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by colpuck (Post 11699451)
If I am reading this right, a 772ER can do IAH-AKL non-stop weight restricted and the 772LR without weight restrictions.

IAH-AKL is shorter than EWR-HKG

Steph3n May 5, 2009 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 11699518)
Starting with our accounting rules - corporations have the ability to distress their own debt, buy it back (at the reduced price), retire the liability, and mark operating income from the transaction.

I am seeing them to this with real estate right now, it is really fishy seeing this going on:

big drug store builds building
lists store on private site were only a few people see it, subsidiary company buys the building at an inflated price(5 million), company that built the building has a set 25 year lease for an insane rate (upwards of 500k a year).

So, what seems fishy? Why would they sell the building, only to lease it at a FAR HIGHER price? and why would subsidiary company be the buyer?

ConciergeMike May 5, 2009 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 11699518)
Starting with our accounting rules - corporations have the ability to distress their own debt, buy it back (at the reduced price), retire the liability, and mark operating income from the transaction.

Lobbyists at work, Greatest Hits Edition.

ConciergeMike May 5, 2009 2:33 pm


Originally Posted by KNRG (Post 11699543)
I hate people :(

Simple, but effective. ^

belynch May 5, 2009 2:34 pm


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 11699510)
I think both parties would be doing the same mistakes.

I disagree. I think if the GOP was in charge they'd be making their own set of errors.

Whoever had been sworn in, in January inherited one of the worst set of circumstances for an incoming President. Obama is proving that he's working towards getting us out of the economic basement. His administration is putting forward plans that seem to be working in the short-term (which was desperately needed).

What kills me is [I feel like] we're setting ourselves up for failure. We can debate all day (and OMNI P/R often does) about whether it would have been better to dig the hole we were in deeper in favor of developing a more sustainable plan vs cutting off the loss and creating an unsustainable short-term gain.

I see both sides of the argument. And, I guess we've selected the latter. I just hope someone in charge of something realizes this and work towards transitioning towards a long-term viable economic growth before the next collapse.

fozz May 5, 2009 2:35 pm


Originally Posted by rolov (Post 11699551)
IAH-AKL is shorter than EWR-HKG

Even with ETOPS rules in effect? CO doesn't fly over Mexico into the Pacific so they would head to the west coast and then start heading SW. Though, QF does LAX-AKL on a 332 now so in theory, a 772 should be able to do it from IAH thought it would be landing on fumes.

belynch May 5, 2009 2:36 pm


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 11699554)
So, what seems fishy? Why would they sell the building, only to lease it at a FAR HIGHER price? and why would subsidiary company be the buyer?

I would imagine it relates to taxes and incentives offered to build vs operate.

ssullivan May 5, 2009 2:37 pm


Originally Posted by AMF in NJ (Post 11699267)
:eek: Who does this with talking about it beforehand? :eek::rolleyes:

Don't worry. It's been discussed. Neither of us has any great attachment to Atlanta and there's never been any question that his career advancement will most definitely come with a relocation.

Mackieman May 5, 2009 2:37 pm


Originally Posted by fozz (Post 11699581)
Even with ETOPS rules in effect? CO doesn't fly over Mexico into the Pacific so they would head to the west coast and then start heading SW. Though, QF does LAX-AKL on a 332 now so in theory, a 772 should be able to do it from IAH thought it would be landing on fumes.

Weight restrictions take care of that, me thinks.

rolov May 5, 2009 2:37 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11699515)
Even if you're right, it truthfully doesn't mean much. Larry is well-known to dislike subfleets. Buying LR's just for AKL or CHC, or buying LR's at all, isn't the CO style.

The problem is the ETOPS, the IAH-AKL path goes over an area where CO's 772s are not within the their certification.
Also a while back DL asked Boeing to stretch the range of the LR to make US East Coast to SYD work, they really want to fly nonstop to SYD from the East Coast.

ConciergeMike May 5, 2009 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by fozz (Post 11699581)
Even with ETOPS rules in effect? CO doesn't fly over Mexico into the Pacific so they would head to the west coast and then start heading SW. Though, QF does LAX-AKL on a 332 now so in theory, a 772 should be able to do it from IAH thought it would be landing on fumes.

The only way IAH-AKL is kosher on a Great Circle routing is to have 330-minute ETOPS. That means it has to be flown by a 77W, no?

ConciergeMike May 5, 2009 2:41 pm


Originally Posted by rolov (Post 11699601)
Also a while back DL asked Boeing to stretch the range of the LR to make US East Coast to SYD work, they really want to fly nonstop to SYD from the East Coast.

There's no way that the US Government was torturing terrorists. It had to be DL doing the dirty work.

Steph3n May 5, 2009 2:44 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11699618)
The only way IAH-AKL is kosher on a Great Circle routing is to have 330-minute ETOPS. That means it has to be flown by a 77W, no?

When is boeing going to get past all these ETOPS rules by making a flying cruise ship that is fueled by sea water and fish parts? :)


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