CO 757 Landed on EWR taxiway 28-Oct-2006
Oct 31, 2006, 8:24 am
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Bethune described a siuation similar to this in his Worst to First book. Two flights landed incorrectly, one ignored their landing configuration warning and ended up putting the plane down on its belly. The other was flown to the wrong airport which was close to the intended airport and had very similar runway layouts. Only the pilots in the former scenario were punished since the second was an 'honset mistake' using all available information.
I can tell you from a pilots perspective that in congested areas like Newark it's not always easy to pick out the runway. As mentioned earlier, runway 29 does not have an ILS system, so at night the pilots must rely exclusivley on their vision to line the plane with the runway. Having said that, there is no excuse for the pilot(s) to skip out on notification.
I can tell you from a pilots perspective that in congested areas like Newark it's not always easy to pick out the runway. As mentioned earlier, runway 29 does not have an ILS system, so at night the pilots must rely exclusivley on their vision to line the plane with the runway. Having said that, there is no excuse for the pilot(s) to skip out on notification.
Oct 31, 2006, 8:27 am
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Originally Posted by CO_Bulkhead
I am just really surprised that no other planes were on the taxiway.
Newark almost never uses runway 29, especially for the 757. I would like to see them use this runway exclusively for the ERJ's and thus free up runway 4/22 for the bigger planes.
Newark almost never uses runway 29, especially for the 757. I would like to see them use this runway exclusively for the ERJ's and thus free up runway 4/22 for the bigger planes.
Oct 31, 2006, 8:29 am
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I've landed on 29 in 757s before, but only on very windy days (as Saturday was). It is rare, but they do use that runway for reasonably-sized planes on days with severe winds.
Oct 31, 2006, 8:31 am
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Shocking! Terrible!
Taxiways at EWR are notoriously jammed. CO, the people on the flight, as well as folks on the ground should thank their respective deities that this taxiway just happened to be empty with the pilots made this error.
Taxiways at EWR are notoriously jammed. CO, the people on the flight, as well as folks on the ground should thank their respective deities that this taxiway just happened to be empty with the pilots made this error.
Oct 31, 2006, 8:38 am
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Oct 31, 2006, 8:38 am
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Originally Posted by Jumpgate
Shocking! Terrible!
Taxiways at EWR are notoriously jammed. CO, the people on the flight, as well as folks on the ground should thank their respective deities that this taxiway just happened to be empty with the pilots made this error.
Taxiways at EWR are notoriously jammed. CO, the people on the flight, as well as folks on the ground should thank their respective deities that this taxiway just happened to be empty with the pilots made this error.
But I think if there was anything on the taxiway, the pilots should have
noticed the error before the touch down.. and should have been able to abort.
Oct 31, 2006, 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by cpx
Originally Posted by Jumpgate
Shocking! Terrible!
Taxiways at EWR are notoriously jammed. CO, the people on the flight, as well as folks on the ground should thank their respective deities that this taxiway just happened to be empty with the pilots made this error.
Taxiways at EWR are notoriously jammed. CO, the people on the flight, as well as folks on the ground should thank their respective deities that this taxiway just happened to be empty with the pilots made this error.
noticed the error before the touch down.. and should have been able to abort.
...in a sense
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Oct 31, 2006, 8:42 am
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Originally Posted by Olton Hall
I didn't even know the 737 and 757 could use that runway. I thought it was too short. I've had some hot landings on it with ERJ's resulting in full reverse thrusters and full brakes (nice smell, not) so I'd suspect something is unusual about the approach.
Oct 31, 2006, 8:44 am
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At dusk, or very close to sunset the visibility of the ground becomes very difficult. plus or minus 30 min from sunset the sky is still very bright, but the ground becomes very dark and the lights are very difficult to see. It's not an excuse, but I've gotten turned around at that time of night flight light aircraft. It's just very easy to do.
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Oct 31, 2006, 8:45 am
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Originally Posted by cpx
But I think if there was anything on the taxiway, the pilots should have
noticed the error before the touch down.. and should have been able to abort.
noticed the error before the touch down.. and should have been able to abort.
Also, Taxiway Z is thankfully not nearly as busy as taxiway W which is directly north of Terminal C.
Thankfully, there were no injuries.
Oct 31, 2006, 8:51 am
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I saw an AA 767-300 takeoff from 29 on Sunday, 10/29. Also saw several CO 762s landing on it as well as the Privatair A319.
Oct 31, 2006, 9:02 am
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777 landed on 29 Sunday a.m. No big deal. I'd rather land on a short runway with a 30 knot headwind, than a real long runway with a 30 knot crosswind. It's all about relative groundspeed.....
The taxiway in question is on the north side of the runway and used primarily by cargo and G/A aircraft. Departure and arrival aircraft would be on the south side of this area, departing on either 29 or 22R.
The taxiway in question is on the north side of the runway and used primarily by cargo and G/A aircraft. Departure and arrival aircraft would be on the south side of this area, departing on either 29 or 22R.
Oct 31, 2006, 9:36 am
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Originally Posted by TVCMH
Bethune described a siuation similar to this in his Worst to First book. Two flights landed incorrectly, one ignored their landing configuration warning and ended up putting the plane down on its belly. The other was flown to the wrong airport which was close to the intended airport and had very similar runway layouts. Only the pilots in the former scenario were punished since the second was an 'honset mistake' using all available information.
Oct 31, 2006, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by J.Edward
Federal aviation officials are investigating whether the pilot of a Continental Airlines flight erred by landing on a taxiway instead of a runway at Newark Liberty International Airport.
Oct 31, 2006, 9:55 am
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Originally Posted by xyzzy
What a great first paragraph:How is landing on the taxiway not an error?