CO 757 Landed on EWR taxiway 28-Oct-2006
Oct 31, 2006, 4:42 pm
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Originally Posted by VideoPaul
I was landing at Madison, WI once almost directly into the sun. It would have been WAY easy to land on a taxiway. I was riding the ILS down even though I was on a visual approach and I was using that to make sure I was where I was supposed to be. It apears that RWY29 at EWR doesn't have ANY precision approaches. RWY 11 (29's reciprocal) does.
Also, the PAPI on RWY 29 is on the right side of the runway. I can't tell form the airport diagram if it's between RWY 29 and TWY Z or to the right of TWY Z. If it's o nthe other side of TWY Z, it would further lead one off to the right.
Why they don't have at least one precision approach to RWY 29 is a good question to ask.
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Also, the PAPI on RWY 29 is on the right side of the runway. I can't tell form the airport diagram if it's between RWY 29 and TWY Z or to the right of TWY Z. If it's o nthe other side of TWY Z, it would further lead one off to the right.
Why they don't have at least one precision approach to RWY 29 is a good question to ask.
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Oct 31, 2006, 5:12 pm
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Originally Posted by BigPoppaCO
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PAPI: Precision Approach Path Indicator. A display of four red lights that indiate whether the approach is too high (1 light or no lights), just right (2 lights) or too low (3 or 4 lights). Useful in both IFR and VFR but critical in VFR.
Reciprocal Runway: The same runway from the other side. Runways are designated in degrees with the last digit omitted. So Runway 29 is at 290 degrees. Its reciprocal is 290-180 degrees = 110 degrees (or RWY 11)
Oct 31, 2006, 5:26 pm
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Oct 31, 2006, 5:28 pm
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Originally Posted by VideoPaul
It apears that RWY29 at EWR doesn't have ANY precision approaches. RWY 11 (29's reciprocal) does.
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I suppose the P.A. doesn't feel it's worth the investment for a runway that gets very little use. I do remember occasionally landing on RWY 11 but never on RWY 29.
Oct 31, 2006, 6:17 pm
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An airport diagram can be found here. I think there just isn't room for the instrumented approach to 29. It seems that the other end has this, as 11 is so equipped. details here.
Oct 31, 2006, 8:05 pm
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In all my trips into EWR, when I had to land on 11/29, it has been, every time, 29. I don't ever even remember seen landings on 11. Planes doing thismust be going over the hotels on Route 1/9 very low.
Oct 31, 2006, 8:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
In all my trips into EWR, when I had to land on 11/29, it has been, every time, 29. I don't ever even remember seen landings on 11. Planes doing thismust be going over the hotels on Route 1/9 very low.
It reminds me a little of the RWY 31 approach at LGA in that the initial is along the standard RWY 4 approach. At LGA there is a sharp turn to the right and then a very tight maneuver to the left to line up with the runway before landing.
At EWR, I've always done this coming from the north, so the initial is along the standard RWY 22 approach and then a sharp turn to the right and the final is over the airport hotels and Rte 1/9. It's not quite as tight as LGA because there isn't the issue of overlapping with the JFK airspace.
Oct 31, 2006, 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1
Reciprocal Runway: The same runway from the other side. Runways are designated in degrees with the last digit omitted. So Runway 29 is at 290 degrees. Its reciprocal is 290-180 degrees = 110 degrees (or RWY 11)
Oct 31, 2006, 10:58 pm
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Originally Posted by skibum_nj
Hmm...so how would a runway a 5 degrees be designated?
If I remember correctly, anything less than 5 is rounded down to become 36/18 and anything more than 5 is rounded up to be 10/19. It's been awhile, so I could be wrong or it might have changed.What do they do with 5? Since there is always some magnetic drift which requires correction between true and magnetic north, perhaps the amount and direction of correction would round the runway to either 36/18 or 10/19
Nov 1, 2006, 12:15 am
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Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1
...The airframe is bigger so there is more structural inertia...
..but the main thing is that the 747 lands a little faster than smaller planes so any turns will be somewhat longer since approach speeds are also a little higher.
Nov 1, 2006, 2:30 am
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
If I remember correctly, anything less than 5 is rounded down to become 36/18 and anything more than 5 is rounded up to be 10/19.
< / pedant alert! >
Nov 1, 2006, 4:53 am
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Originally Posted by skibum_nj
Hmm...so how would a runway a 5 degrees be designated?
Most runways tend to be designed at "even" degrees (0.0 degrees, 10 degrees, 20 degrees, etc.)
Nov 1, 2006, 4:55 am
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Originally Posted by carpboy
Yup, but has zero bearing on turn radius, only speed and bank angle matter.
Think of it this way. For a Cessna 170 to achieve a 20-degree bank, the wing dips about 5 ft. For the same 20-degrees on a 747, the wing dips about 20 ft, so at the same rate of bank, it takes about 4 times as long to reach 20 degrees.
Giving a generous 40 kts increase is roughly 2000 foot radius increase at 20 degrees. Not that much of a difference.
The fact is that on approach, a 747 probably will fly about 30-60 kts faster than an E-145, depending on payload.
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Nov 1, 2006, 5:30 am
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Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1
Good question! A runway at 4.9 degrees is desginated as RWY 0 and a runway at 5.1 degress is designated as RWY 1.
Most runways tend to be designed at "even" degrees (0.0 degrees, 10 degrees, 20 degrees, etc.)
Most runways tend to be designed at "even" degrees (0.0 degrees, 10 degrees, 20 degrees, etc.)
Nov 1, 2006, 5:34 am
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Originally Posted by AEpilot76
A runway at 4.9 degrees would be designated 36, not 0. We don't have a 0 degree heading, its 360 heading