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Efrem Oct 30, 2007 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by MACH81 (Post 8646402)
Hi guys,

my (new)company is looking for someone to manage an office they want to open in Akron, OH. Among the best in the sector, the company produces rolled rings, open die and close die forgings for several industries, from Oil&Gas, to Wind energy and Automotive.

They are looking for someone with these requirements:

Age: 32-40 years old

...

Sex: Male

...

It's possible that the Italian parent company may not know this, but they are begging for major, major, major legal trouble with these. Even if the best candidate turns out to be a 36-year-old guy, they would (especially after your post, which has by now been immortalized by several Internet archiving services and the above quoting even if you go back and edit it) have a devil of a time proving that that they didn't turn down a 42-year-old woman because she didn't meet these two "requirements" (not even "desirable characteristics," but out-and-out "requirements"). If you're not yet in a position there to clue them in that this crosses clear and unambiguous legal boundaries as well as ethical ones, somebody else ought to. (I am assuming that you don't personally support this sort of discrimination, but you might want to confirm that for the record.)

P.S. If that wasn't bad enough, there's enough information in your post for someone in your industry to know exactly what company it is.

DEVIS Oct 30, 2007 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by Efrem (Post 8648253)
It's possible that the Italian parent company may not know this, but they are begging for major, major, major legal trouble with these. Even if the best candidate turns out to be a 36-year-old guy, they would (especially after your post, which has by now been immortalized by several Internet archiving services and the above quoting even if you go back and edit it) have a devil of a time proving that that they didn't turn down a 42-year-old woman because she didn't meet these two "requirements" (not even "desirable characteristics," but out-and-out "requirements"). If you're not yet in a position there to clue them in that this crosses clear and unambiguous legal boundaries as well as ethical ones, somebody else ought to. (I am assuming that you don't personally support this sort of discrimination, but you might want to confirm that for the record.)

P.S. If that wasn't bad enough, there's enough information in your post for someone in your industry to know exactly what company it is.

At some point I was contemplating a move to Italy and started looking around Monster.com for jobs. Most every posting I saw had a specific age bucket attached to it. I guess while this sort of thing may be frowned upon here, it seems to be common practice there. But yea, I agree with you. This Italian company is in need of some legal counseling.

haveric Oct 30, 2007 8:13 pm


Originally Posted by DEVIS (Post 8648853)
This Italian company is in need of some legal counseling.

Maybe I should send them a resume!

MACH81 Oct 31, 2007 2:31 am

My bad guys!

I just copied and pasted what I was given. Whoever wrote the profile did not realize that the profile was to be used for the US and that what it is perfectly normal in Italy is considered discriminating in the US. I've deleted those requirements. Thank you all for letting me know, even though I would have preferred a PM as someone else did yesterday.

chrissxb Oct 31, 2007 7:31 am

ok, folks.

mach81 did edit the post so we should be able to move on. I don't see the need to edit your posts, but please stop the debate. he didn't know, he apologized and edited. I consider this affair closed :) further comments on this topic may be deleted.

regards

chrissxb
co-moderator
communitybuzz!

otr271 Nov 22, 2007 1:08 am

Hi there,

just out of curiosity: How much success have people had with this thread? Has it actually worked out for anyone? I find it interesting if networking not based on personal relationships actually has a chance against 'real' job networks..

TrueBlueFlyer Nov 22, 2007 9:33 am

not me...

cstead Nov 27, 2007 4:32 pm


Originally Posted by OliverS (Post 8772353)
Hi there,

just out of curiosity: How much success have people had with this thread? Has it actually worked out for anyone? I find it interesting if networking not based on personal relationships actually has a chance against 'real' job networks..

This thread just doesn't get the traffic that other places like Indeed, Vault, Craigslist and Monster get. Of course, I swear that none of those sites work either (personal experience only), so who knows.

Maybe its like the "Good Deals" MR threads, where all of the good jobs get sent via PM only, so they never make it to the FT masses:D

graraps Nov 29, 2007 6:45 pm


Originally Posted by MACH81 (Post 8650386)
My bad guys!

I just copied and pasted what I was given. Whoever wrote the profile did not realize that the profile was to be used for the US and that what it is perfectly normal in Italy is considered discriminating in the US. I've deleted those requirements. Thank you all for letting me know, even though I would have preferred a PM as someone else did yesterday.

Just FYI and that of anyone else reading this.

Such job adverts are also illegal in EU territory.
The fact that they are still pretty much the norm in many (most?) countries, doesn't mean that they aren't against the law.

Cholula Nov 29, 2007 7:11 pm


Originally Posted by OliverS (Post 8772353)
Hi there,

just out of curiosity: How much success have people had with this thread? Has it actually worked out for anyone? I find it interesting if networking not based on personal relationships actually has a chance against 'real' job networks..

Like any other kind of job networking, posting here is just part of the equation.

There have been 33K page views of this thread and a job applicant only needs one of those views in a position to hire s/he.

Never hurts to post here (unless you’re still working and your boss is an avid FT’er ;) ) and you never know when it can help.

party_boy Dec 1, 2007 2:24 am

Eco Journalist
 
I came across this post.

http://www.journalismjobs.com/Job_Li...m?JobID=850633

Ironic isn't it?



Description:
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You are wicked smart, funny, irreverent and hip, oozing enthusiasm and creative energy. This position requires strong people, reporting, story telling and writing skills. Managing tight deadlines should be second nature. Knowledge of the enviro beat is a big plus, but not a requirement.

Responsibilities include reporting and hosting two to three news packages per week plus daily writing for our blog. You should be comfortable using a video camera and the Internet. Be prepared to see America. Heavy domestic travel.

Send resumes, cover letters and links to [email protected] or send DVD reels to:

Neil Katz

BettyKat Dec 3, 2007 9:11 pm

Fastest Typist in the Nation (120+WPM) Available!
 
First, a confession - I placed second in the Fastest Typist in the Nation Contest. :p But the person who placed first only beat me by one word, on that one test, on that one day....and I refuse to cede victory!

I charge $35 an hour - and for my fee, you get more than just data entry. I have a B.A. in English (magna cum laude) and work in internal communications at a law firm, so I can correct grammatical errors on the fly. I have years of experience writing, editing and proofing as well, but I have found the typing to be more lucrative.

Because of my fast typing speed, I specialize in live dictation; for example, I have done several "live chats" online with celebrities (where I type their words in response to fans' questions - you didn't think the celebrities themselves were typing, did you?). Therefore, if you are in New York City and have live dictation needs, I'm your (wo)man!

I hope to work with a FlyerTalker soon.

Regards,
Katherine
[email protected]

Cholula Dec 3, 2007 9:27 pm


Originally Posted by BettyKat (Post 8833012)
First, a confession - I placed second in the Fastest Typist in the Nation Contest. :p But the person who placed first only beat me by one word, on that one test, on that one day....and I refuse to cede victory!

Very :cool: and congratulations on that accomplishment!

Canarsie Dec 3, 2007 11:38 pm


Originally Posted by BettyKat (Post 8833012)
I charge $25 an hour - and for my fee, you get more than just data entry. I have a B.A. in English (magna cum laude) and work in internal communications at a law firm, so I can correct grammatical errors on the fly. I have years of experience writing, editing and proofing as well, but I have found the typing to be more lucrative.

You might want to consider posting this in The FlyerTalk Business Exchange Forum thread, BettyKat, as to me that would seem to be a more appropriate thread.

This is only a suggestion.

BettyKat Dec 4, 2007 8:12 am


Originally Posted by Canarsie (Post 8833560)
You might want to consider posting this in The FlyerTalk Business Exchange Forum thread, BettyKat, as to me that would seem to be a more appropriate thread.

This is only a suggestion.

I will do that then - thanks for the suggestion. I considered it but I wasn't sure if I was a business per se.

Regards,
Katherine


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