Current China Entry policy
Feb 15, 2022, 5:26 pm
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In addition to Hong Kong's low vaccination rate, it surely has a bigger fraction of its residents who are elderly and therefore at higher risk of death from a COVID-19 infection compared to Shenzhen.
Feb 16, 2022, 2:30 am
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And from what I know, it's precisely these elderly HKers who haven't gotten vaccinated (I avoid making judgment by using the word "refuse").
Feb 16, 2022, 10:35 am
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Following is my current assessment:
1. Any determined individual can score an RP; this won't cost more than $750
2. Even if you hate UA, book 857 (hopefully for $2k instead of $6k)
-there is a reason why XMN costs less
This drill honestly does cost $10k, even if 857 fares drop.
But, if you have the stomach for it, make it happen!
1. Any determined individual can score an RP; this won't cost more than $750
2. Even if you hate UA, book 857 (hopefully for $2k instead of $6k)
-there is a reason why XMN costs less
This drill honestly does cost $10k, even if 857 fares drop.
But, if you have the stomach for it, make it happen!
Feb 16, 2022, 10:56 am
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How do they get a residence permit? You know an agent who can get a PU Letter for a job that doesn’t exist (and that this hypothetical person doesn’t even want to do, except for on paper)? And can shortcut the line in front of all the English teachers and other people applying for legitimate jobs?
Thanks in advance.
Feb 16, 2022, 11:11 am
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On a separate note there are signs that students might be let back in (only a very very very small handful of schools have been able to issue visas since March 2020, the rest of the students are doing online classes in their home countries at odd hours).
https://www.studyinternational.com/n...rean-students/
Some particularly motivated person mentioned above might gamble on a Fall 2022 school program to get in.
https://www.studyinternational.com/n...rean-students/
Some particularly motivated person mentioned above might gamble on a Fall 2022 school program to get in.
Feb 16, 2022, 5:08 pm
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Following is my current assessment:
1. Any determined individual can score an RP; this won't cost more than $750
2. Even if you hate UA, book 857 (hopefully for $2k instead of $6k)
-there is a reason why XMN costs less
This drill honestly does cost $10k, even if 857 fares drop.
But, if you have the stomach for it, make it happen!
1. Any determined individual can score an RP; this won't cost more than $750
2. Even if you hate UA, book 857 (hopefully for $2k instead of $6k)
-there is a reason why XMN costs less
This drill honestly does cost $10k, even if 857 fares drop.
But, if you have the stomach for it, make it happen!
Feb 16, 2022, 10:53 pm
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Following is my current assessment:
1. Any determined individual can score an RP; this won't cost more than $750
2. Even if you hate UA, book 857 (hopefully for $2k instead of $6k)
-there is a reason why XMN costs less
This drill honestly does cost $10k, even if 857 fares drop.
But, if you have the stomach for it, make it happen!
1. Any determined individual can score an RP; this won't cost more than $750
2. Even if you hate UA, book 857 (hopefully for $2k instead of $6k)
-there is a reason why XMN costs less
This drill honestly does cost $10k, even if 857 fares drop.
But, if you have the stomach for it, make it happen!
Ok since you’ve discussed this several times before I’ll take the bait. Assume someone is a US citizen currently outside China with no relatives in China and no job in China and no intention to work in China and has no existing visa and no existing residence permit. They only want to go there as a tourist and are willing to pay whatever fee is necessary including quarantine. Also assume this person is ridiculously stubborn as they are on FT.
How do they get a residence permit? You know an agent who can get a PU Letter for a job that doesn’t exist (and that this hypothetical person doesn’t even want to do, except for on paper)? And can shortcut the line in front of all the English teachers and other people applying for legitimate jobs?
How do they get a residence permit? You know an agent who can get a PU Letter for a job that doesn’t exist (and that this hypothetical person doesn’t even want to do, except for on paper)? And can shortcut the line in front of all the English teachers and other people applying for legitimate jobs?
My question is, how do you enter China as a US citizen? Even if you have family members in China, you are unlikely to get a visa.
Can you get a work visa without an actual job?
For the cost, the lowest RT fare SFO-PVG-SFO would be around $4K-5K. Yes, the drill will cost $10K if you stay in China for 3 months.
Feb 17, 2022, 3:26 am
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The "moondog-$750-special" is likely of somewhat dubious nature, that may work.....sort of.
Likely start your own company (probably in Shanghai), then get a Visa to visit and set-up said company?
Likely start your own company (probably in Shanghai), then get a Visa to visit and set-up said company?
Feb 17, 2022, 3:37 am
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$750 for a work permit based 1 year RP attained through an agent’s dodgy methods was possible pre 2020 for people already here. Now it is impossible and it will be impossible from this point forward. China is using Covid to strengthen its immigration policy as well.
Feb 17, 2022, 11:49 pm
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Can anyone confirm if Chinese nationals are allowed to take any direct flight they choose back to China? For example, a Chinese national could fly direct from one of the European spots, Thailand, USA, whatever as long as they can get to that said destination and take the appropriate testing for the days before the flight?
However, note that some jurisdictions do allow non-residents to fly to China after a certain period of time has passed. For example, the Seoul Embassy will issue a green code to anyone who has stayed in Korea for over 30 days.
Feb 18, 2022, 12:24 am
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No they cannot. They need to prove residency in the country of departure just like everyone else.
However, note that some jurisdictions do allow non-residents to fly to China after a certain period of time has passed. For example, the Seoul Embassy will issue a green code to anyone who has stayed in Korea for over 30 days.
However, note that some jurisdictions do allow non-residents to fly to China after a certain period of time has passed. For example, the Seoul Embassy will issue a green code to anyone who has stayed in Korea for over 30 days.
Feb 18, 2022, 12:26 am
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Ok since you’ve discussed this several times before I’ll take the bait. Assume someone is a US citizen currently outside China with no relatives in China and no job in China and no intention to work in China and has no existing visa and no existing residence permit. They only want to go there as a tourist and are willing to pay whatever fee is necessary including quarantine. Also assume this person is ridiculously stubborn as they are on FT.
How do they get a residence permit? You know an agent who can get a PU Letter for a job that doesn’t exist (and that this hypothetical person doesn’t even want to do, except for on paper)? And can shortcut the line in front of all the English teachers and other people applying for legitimate jobs?
Thanks in advance.
How do they get a residence permit? You know an agent who can get a PU Letter for a job that doesn’t exist (and that this hypothetical person doesn’t even want to do, except for on paper)? And can shortcut the line in front of all the English teachers and other people applying for legitimate jobs?
Thanks in advance.
Feb 18, 2022, 1:27 am
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The precise rules are determined by each individual diplomatic mission. In general, allowance is made for cases where the traveller directly flew from China and is then returning to China. If you have a specific destination in mind, the best course of action is to contact the embassy in that country and find out exactly what they will and will not allow.
Feb 18, 2022, 1:39 am
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The precise rules are determined by each individual diplomatic mission. In general, allowance is made for cases where the traveller directly flew from China and is then returning to China. If you have a specific destination in mind, the best course of action is to contact the embassy in that country and find out exactly what they will and will not allow.
Feb 18, 2022, 8:21 am
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https://archive.fo/IdH0l FT: Illegal border crossings push Hong Kong Covid outbreak into China
If the HK fifth wave outbreak was actually caused by a couple people escaping quarantine, this house of cards is about to fall soon.
At least four people with the virus crossed border and travelled on to other mainland cities
Some Chinese cities have offered rewards for information about people smuggling after 15 individuals illegally entered Zhuhai, in southern Guangdong province, by boat from Hong Kong.
It is not clear if they were Hong Kong residents or Chinese nationals attempting to return home from the territory. According to Chinese media reports, at least four of them had Covid-19 and later travelled to other Chinese cities and provinces.
Shanghai health authorities also confirmed on Friday morning that new cases in the city included a Chinese national who had travelled from Hong Kong to Zhuhai on February 13, and then took a high-speed train to Shanghai on February 14.
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Fences and other fortifications along Hong Kong’s long land border with Shenzhen, Guangdong’s second-largest city, were originally built to stop illegal immigration from China into the territory. It is also easy to travel by boat between Hong Kong and many cities in Guangdong, whose long coastline and river networks are difficult to police.
Some Chinese cities have offered rewards for information about people smuggling after 15 individuals illegally entered Zhuhai, in southern Guangdong province, by boat from Hong Kong.
It is not clear if they were Hong Kong residents or Chinese nationals attempting to return home from the territory. According to Chinese media reports, at least four of them had Covid-19 and later travelled to other Chinese cities and provinces.
Shanghai health authorities also confirmed on Friday morning that new cases in the city included a Chinese national who had travelled from Hong Kong to Zhuhai on February 13, and then took a high-speed train to Shanghai on February 14.
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Fences and other fortifications along Hong Kong’s long land border with Shenzhen, Guangdong’s second-largest city, were originally built to stop illegal immigration from China into the territory. It is also easy to travel by boat between Hong Kong and many cities in Guangdong, whose long coastline and river networks are difficult to police.