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Spiff Nov 15, 2007 10:51 pm


Originally Posted by KleineFrau (Post 8739102)
Why do I get the feeling I am about to see a report about some guy whose internet handle is "Spiff" on the 6 o'clock news? :)

God, I hope so! Fight the good fight!

Join me and every other like-minded traveler who is sick of this BS and can't wait to see the TSA destroyed and Kip Hawley punted into prison.

Electronic devices stay IN bags. UP YOURS, Kip.

DillMan Nov 15, 2007 10:56 pm


Originally Posted by mkt (Post 8736056)
I'm buying a bigger boat... this is ridiculous.

I've already started flying Seabourne Airlines to the USVI/BVI since there's no TSA checkpoints on seaplanes.

You fly seaplanes from the US Virgin Islands to Australia? Wow! That is a long flight for a piston airplane. :)

KleineFrau Nov 15, 2007 10:58 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8739105)
Join me and every other like-minded traveler who is sick of this BS and can't wait to see the TSA destroyed and Kip Hawley punted into prison.

Electronic devices stay IN bags. UP YOURS, Kip.

Oh heavens yes. I am not letting a single lens roll around in a plastic tub.

Nor are my prescriptions leaving my sight.

Is it really horrible of me that I wanted to yell "THAT EQUIPMENT COSTS MORE THAN YOU MAKE IN A MONTH!" last time they were pawing through my camera equipment?

Spiff Nov 15, 2007 11:00 pm


Originally Posted by KleineFrau (Post 8739127)

Is it really horrible of me that I wanted to yell "THAT EQUIPMENT COSTS MORE THAN YOU MAKE IN A MONTH!" last time they were pawing through my camera equipment?

Not at all.

Kip Hawley is a lying little piece of trash.

If people choose to work for lying little pieces of trash, they should consider themselves fortunate if passengers only yell at them when they paw through passengers' belongings unnecessarily.

KleineFrau Nov 15, 2007 11:02 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8739133)
Not at all.

Kip Hawley is a lying little piece of trash.

If people choose to work for lying little pieces of trash, they should consider themselves fortunate if passengers only yell at them when they paw through passengers' belongings unnecessarily.

That one made me mad, too. She grabbed it and went about her pawing before I could even get there to ask her to put on new gloves.

Spiff Nov 15, 2007 11:08 pm


Originally Posted by KleineFrau (Post 8739136)
That one made me mad, too. She grabbed it and went about her pawing before I could even get there to ask her to put on new gloves.

The last time a TSA employee started to dig through my bag before I was in front of my bag had the employee put on new gloves, I said:

STOP! I will be right with you. DO NOT open that until I am there.

jonesing Nov 15, 2007 11:18 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8738975)
E-T-P. Learn it. Know it. Live it.

The IonScan Sentinel II makes most of your agency's harassment completely unnecessary.

::sigh:: C'mon Spiff! You know the IonScan won't work! Not one bit...it wasn't invented here (USA) and Smiths Detection isn't even a US company! How can you trust them to protect the fath..homeland? :D

jonesing Nov 15, 2007 11:23 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8739150)
The last time a TSA employee started to dig through my bag before I was in front of my bag had the employee put on new gloves, I said:

STOP! I will be right with you. DO NOT open that until I am there.

wow! And you didn't get a retalitory secondary or at least a tongue thrashing for "meanacing" a "federal officer"? :rolleyes:

KleineFrau Nov 15, 2007 11:23 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8739150)
The last time a TSA employee started to dig through my bag before I was in front of my bag had the employee put on new gloves, I said:

STOP! I will be right with you. DO NOT open that until I am there.

Trust me. Had I been in a position to do so, I would have.

KleineFrau Nov 15, 2007 11:24 pm


Originally Posted by jonesing (Post 8739175)
protect the fath..homeland? :D

*snicker*

Peetah Nov 15, 2007 11:24 pm


Originally Posted by KleineFrau (Post 8739102)
Why do I get the feeling I am about to see a report about some guy whose internet handle is "Spiff" on the 6 o'clock news? :)

God, I hope so! Fight the good fight!

If anything, you'll see me on the 6pm news. :o

"Traveler holds up line at airport to protest TSA's new rules regarding electronics. Other passengers follow suit!"

KleineFrau Nov 15, 2007 11:27 pm


Originally Posted by Peetah (Post 8739195)
If anything, you'll see me on the 6pm news. :o

"Traveler holds up line at airport to protest TSA's new rules regarding electronics. Other passengers follow suit!"

I would love to see a massive protest wherein everyone buys a ticket for a particular day. No one produces ID for the TSA. No one separates all electronics. Everyone refuses to take off shoes (you can do so, just have to get a secondary).

All participants plan a vacation with flights on the same exact day to pull it off. Buy the extra $15 insurance in case you miss your flight.

Would cost money to protest, but would be well worth it.

stupidhead Nov 15, 2007 11:31 pm

The only way this insanity would stop: FINE TSA. Heavily.

False alarm terminal dump? slap them with a $500 billion judgement, to be distributed among everyone inconvenienced.
Fail a test? slap them with a $50 million fine, every time.
Theft? slap them with a $50 million fine plus restitution for the stolen articles.
Broken articles? $50 million plus restitution for all broken articles.
False arrest? Fire the person that made the arrest, have them prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and $50 million fine for TSA. TSA, in addition, is subject to civil action.

PDXUAFAN Nov 15, 2007 11:32 pm

Okay, so I'm back home now. I think I'm an average business traveler. Since the whole of Terminal 2 Security checkpoint got to see, I will let you know what I had in my bag also:

"Electronics"
1 laptop
2 cellphones
3 cellphone power adapters
2 computer power adapters
4 usb cables
1 bluetooth earpiece
3 jump drives
1 S Video cable
1 electric shaver
1 electric shaver power adapter
2 laptop batteries
1 cd drive
1 3 way plug (always bring one for the limited outlets some hotels have)
1 digital camera
1 iPod
3 miscellaneous cables

That's 28 pieces, plus:

"non-electronic"
Sensitive Documents, personal documents, private pictures, and private correspondences.

I forgot I had 1 cellphone in a pouch and the bluetooth and one errant cable.

I initially pull all the crap out when directed... I got pissed when the TSO start berating me about not taking it all out.

I said I thought I did and I got most of it. He says most is not all.

So that caused a hand search and rescan which is an invasion of privacy regardless what anyone says. What happened to the fourth amendment?

Let me quote it for all those who don't know, much like the bible thumpers who don't know their own contradicting scriptures:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The TSA is not protecting us and our constitution; it is violating it.

It is a mockery and does nothing to protect us from harms perceived and real.

Get rid of it and the Department of Fatherland Security.

Peetah Nov 15, 2007 11:35 pm


Originally Posted by KleineFrau (Post 8739127)
Is it really horrible of me that I wanted to yell "THAT EQUIPMENT COSTS MORE THAN YOU MAKE IN A MONTH!" last time they were pawing through my camera equipment?

That's not horrible, that's telling them the truth!

Like you, on those rare occassions I travel for leisure, my camera equipment is worth more than what those idiots make in a month. The last thing I need is some amateur POS college flunky rent-a-cop on a government salary screwing up a couple of 100 year old cameras or that nice little Hasselblad that I just picked up. :mad:


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