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Spiff Nov 17, 2007 9:20 am


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8745402)
LOL, did someone's pet rock tell you that? You know, working at the frontlines, I see most of the anger comes from the internet. The average passenger is friendly and at the very least cooperative. So my friend, I think you'll be waiting for many a decade before you can have you million man march on Washington calling for the destruction of the TSA.

It's attitude like this that makes the destruction of your agency almost assured.

I know that when I look at resumes, if I see TSA in employment history for any length of time and the applicant isn't someone like Bart, that resume is going right into the trash.

!TSA No Play! Nov 17, 2007 9:21 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8738986)
People hate your agency with good reason - your "leaders" are jackasses who make stupid policies.

When your agency is destroyed and replaced with private security (something people don't hate, just stupid implementations of it), perhaps you'll be competent enough to be re-hired.

The same "private" security that failed to thwart the 9/11 attacks right? If anything, private security shall be worse than anything TSA can conjure up from the depths of hell. I hope you don't think you'd be getting a Blackwater level operation as a TSA replacement. Oh yes, the airlines would definitely pay for that. Gosh, I love this forum! So many interesting viewpoints. I think I'm just going to settle in and stay for awhile.

!TSA No Play! Nov 17, 2007 9:25 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8738991)
You and your fellow employees should consider themselves fortunate if such actions are the extent of the anger of the traveling public. @:-)

My goodness man! Are you actually advocating or at the very least agreeing with further display of passenger aggression up to or including violence. Spiff, my man, [/Frank Lucas] you shall definitely provide me with hour upon hour of interesting reading.

Spiff Nov 17, 2007 9:26 am


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8745412)
The same "private" security that failed to thwart the 9/11 attacks right? If anything, private security shall be worse than anything TSA can conjure up from the depths of hell. I hope you don't think you'd be getting a Blackwater level operation as a TSA replacement. Oh yes, the airlines would definitely pay for that. Gosh, I love this forum! So many interesting viewpoints. I think I'm just going to settle in and stay for awhile.

How exactly did private security fail that day? Please, go into detail. Use big words.

Private security did nothing wrong that day. 9/11 was caused by cooperation with terrorists and pilots opening cockpit doors. To say that 9/11 was caused by legally permitted boxcutters is the height of abject stupidity.

Private security is often unfairly blamed for 9/11 as an excuse to start the disgusting Workfare program known as TSA. It was a cowardly and Communistic mistake that should be corrected and those responsible for it severely punished.

!TSA No Play! Nov 17, 2007 9:27 am


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler (Post 8738994)
I just don't have respect for people who can do that for a living. And, I feel that they should have enough self respect to find another job.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Well, I'll let that speak for itself. I've been to some whacked out forums before, but only on FlyerTalk would no one challenge this. Good show, good show.

Spiff Nov 17, 2007 9:28 am


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8745428)
My goodness man! Are you actually advocating or at the very least agreeing with further display of passenger aggression up to or including violence. Spiff, my man, [/Frank Lucas] you shall definitely provide me with hour upon hour of interesting reading.

Advocating? Hardly.

Nevertheless, you and your fellow employees should indeed consider yourselves fortunate if angry complaints and refusal to jump to follow your agency's mindless idiocy are all you experience from disgusted passengers. @:-)

!TSA No Play! Nov 17, 2007 9:32 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8745375)
Done and done. No changes in stupid policies mean that you get to enjoy the brunt of customer dissatisfaction.

Your agency HAS the money. It squanders it on stupidity like the Shoe Carnival, Liquids Idiocy, and BP/ID checking (yes, all those things cost money that could be spent on technology). Tell YOUR boss to stop deploying your agency's limited resources in an extremely stupid and un-American manner.

Don't like it? No one is forcing you to be a TSA employee.

I was nice and edited your post to add an "r" to make the word complete and sentence correct.

Anyway, if you want to delve the most base of logic, no one is forcing you to fly and endure the TSA "totalitarian" policies and let's take your logic even further shall we; no one is forcing you to live in this country who allows us Nazi reincarnate to exist and withhold the common man's last gasp of air under or jackboot.

!TSA No Play! Nov 17, 2007 9:34 am


Originally Posted by vassilipan (Post 8745377)
Congress does not buy equipment; Congress appropriates funding which agencies use to purchase equipment. What is TSA spending their capital budget on?

So, if I'm a government agency and I decide to go and order say, I don't know, 1,000,000 of those pet rocks that seem so popular around here, Congress should have no say or influence on such a ludicrous purchase? Look, what I'm saying is to encourage your local congressman to influence the TSA to buy new technologies for their checkpoints. There's only so much I can do without the concurrence of the general public.

!TSA No Play! Nov 17, 2007 9:36 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8745411)
It's attitude like this that makes the destruction of your agency almost assured.

I know that when I look at resumes, if I see TSA in employment history for any length of time and the applicant isn't someone like Bart, that resume is going right into the trash.

Attitude? Excuse me good sir, but I've responded to every post with a dignity and respect that I have yet to be shown in return. I think I've conducted myself in a manner that others on this forum should definitely emulate.

And discrimination based on personal bias eh? Might as well not hire them because they are black, mexican, or a woman while you're at it.

!TSA No Play! Nov 17, 2007 9:39 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8745430)
How exactly did private security fail that day? Please, go into detail. Use big words.

Private security did nothing wrong that day. 9/11 was caused by cooperation with terrorists and pilots opening cockpit doors. To say that 9/11 was caused by legally permitted boxcutters is the height of abject stupidity.

Private security is often unfairly blamed for 9/11 as an excuse to start the disgusting Workfare program known as TSA. It was a cowardly and Communistic mistake that should be corrected and those responsible for it severely punished.

Oh wait wait wait, I get it now. So, if a 9/11 were to happen on our watch, your assertions we're a disgusting Nazi/Communist (who ever thought the two could be combined) agency would be validated. But, since 9/11 DID actually happen on the watch of the poor wittle private security agencies of which you advocate, it was cooperation with terrorists? Riiiiiiiight. No bias there.

Spiff Nov 17, 2007 9:45 am


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8745479)
Oh wait wait wait, I get it now. So, if a 9/11 were to happen on our watch, your assertions we're a disgusting Nazi/Communist (who ever thought the two could be combined) agency would be validated. But, since 9/11 DID actually happen on the watch of the poor wittle private security agencies of which you advocate, it was cooperation with terrorists? Riiiiiiiight. No bias there.

Still waiting. How exactly was 9/11 the fault of private security?

whirledtraveler Nov 17, 2007 9:47 am


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8745434)
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Well, I'll let that speak for itself. I've been to some whacked out forums before, but only on FlyerTalk would no one challenge this. Good show, good show.

That was a interesting way of bowing out of an argument. ;)

Seriously, you feel that checking IDs does makes us safer somehow? Would you care to explain how an ID check keeps someone from committing terror on an airplane? Do they just sit on the airplane and go "Wow, they checked my id.. maybe I shouldn't do something terrible!!"

Like I said, it's not a respectable job. Anyone with self-respect would quit due to the utter senselessness of it.

Go ahead and defend it. We're all ears.

!TSA No Play! Nov 17, 2007 9:51 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8745502)
Still waiting. How exactly was 9/11 the fault of private security?

Well, I'm just going to use the logic prevalent on this forum. It was their fault because they didn't stop it. Going any further into it would be useless. Besides, why hold me to standards you yourself don't adhere to?

!TSA No Play! Nov 17, 2007 10:02 am

Great, my snakelike appearance scared everyone away. :(

Spiff Nov 17, 2007 10:11 am


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8745524)
Well, I'm just going to use the logic prevalent on this forum. It was their fault because they didn't stop it. Going any further into it would be useless. Besides, why hold me to standards you yourself don't adhere to?

You have no answer and you're off on some standards tangent?

I take it you decline to answer? :)


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