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Teacher49 Nov 15, 2007 4:32 pm


Originally Posted by mkt (Post 8736056)
I'm buying a bigger boat... this is ridiculous.

I've already started flying Seabourne Airlines to the USVI/BVI since there's no TSA checkpoints on seaplanes.

Oh, no! Now the terrorists know this, too!

impedimenta Nov 15, 2007 4:35 pm


Originally Posted by sbrower (Post 8737303)
It doesn't yet announce the new policy, but here is a new IED webpage that the TSA apparently created today (11/15/07):

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/...itigation.shtm

Following the link to "Millimeter Wave" the picture shows a blurred body, but the text states "The three-dimensional image of the body, with facial features blurred for privacy...".

So, is this a change from the original promise to blur the body? Will young women be preferentially chosen for secondary screenings?

Spiff Nov 15, 2007 4:43 pm


Originally Posted by impedimenta (Post 8737495)
Following the link to "Millimeter Wave" the picture shows a blurred body, but the text states "The three-dimensional image of the body, with facial features blurred for privacy...".

So, is this a change from the original promise to blur the body? Will young women be preferentially chosen for secondary screenings?

Reports have said the images generated (not the example on tsahouseoflies.gov) leave little to the imagination.

"You've been chosen for millimeter wave screening."

"And you've been chosen to go pound sand."

I'm not subjecting myself to this device.

impedimenta Nov 15, 2007 5:05 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8737530)
Reports have said the images generated (not the example on tsahouseoflies.gov) leave little to the imagination.

Perhaps, I'm mis-remembering or didn't see the germane posts (I'm new here), but I thought another poster saw the explicit images at Sheremetyevo while the TSA was saying their machines would be set to blur body images.

Perhaps the TSA has decided to follow the shining example of Russia.

PTravel Nov 15, 2007 6:10 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8737240)
They carry electrons, don't they? :rolleyes:

So do keys, the top of my lighter, my watch band and the frames of my glasses.


(that's the kind of logic that Idiot Boy Hawley would use to train his minions.)
Well there's something you don't see every day: use of the word "logic" in the same sentence with "Hawley."

PTravel Nov 15, 2007 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by impedimenta (Post 8737635)
Perhaps, I'm mis-remembering or didn't see the germane posts (I'm new here), but I thought another poster saw the explicit images at Sheremetyevo while the TSA was saying their machines would be set to blur body images.

Perhaps the TSA has decided to follow the shining example of Russia.

I've already had melanoma once. I'm not about to let anyone subject my skin to x-ray radiation.

mkt Nov 15, 2007 6:17 pm


Originally Posted by Teacher49 (Post 8737481)
Oh, no! Now the terrorists know this, too!

Well, I guess I should still get a bigger boat... preferably one capable of doing the 1000 miles to the mainland.. lol.

The 40 miles from Fajardo to St. Thomas are tough in a 26 footer, with the 15 miles to Tortola even worse... I don't wanna imagine crossing to the mainland in that :(

vassilipan Nov 15, 2007 7:32 pm


Originally Posted by mmartin4600 (Post 8737181)
Not the horse Spiff. Leave the poor horse out of it. :)

"Not the livestock, George!"

(Apologies to O! Brother Where Art Thou?)

goalie Nov 15, 2007 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by bzbdewd (Post 8737311)
Too bad Kip Hawley's Mom didn't use an IUD.......

don't you mean ied? ;)

bzbdewd Nov 15, 2007 8:50 pm


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 8738550)
don't you mean ied? ;)

Well that would have worked after the fact I suppose.......

!TSA No Play! Nov 15, 2007 9:26 pm

As of today, 11/15/07, we have not begun this procedure at Houston Hobby. Whether or not that shall change is up in the air as policy can change overnight. However, if this is a new system wide process, it makes sense given the recent bad press and fumbles. I'd wager that some of the agents who breached the airport CPs had IED components concealed in electronics that are/were not currently being screened. As a result, we now have to be more thorough and screen these items at the inconvenience of the public. Terrorists and covert agents aren't using ACME Co. gag bombs anymore, the IEDs and methods used to conceal them and their components are more sophisticated than ever. In response, so must be our screening techniques which must correlate with the latest threats. You all can't have it both ways; you want effective security screening procedures but you don't want to endure the process that comes along with it. If any of you all can think of ways to screen for IEDs and their components which cover all the threat areas (liquids, shoes, electronics, etc.) without inconveniencing you the passenger I'd love to hear it and pass it on.

!TSA No Play! Nov 15, 2007 9:31 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8737077)
Time for civil disobedience on this one.

Show up early, refuse to remove anything except the laptop. A screener then has to tie themselves up with you and the lines will really back up then, which will make the TSA look even stupider and more inefficient than they already are.

Screw them. Screw them and the horse they rode in on.

Yes, yes, please do that Spiff. As TSOs are paid hourly you'd only be inconveniencing yourself and fellow passengers. Way to make a potentially long and contentious process that much more long and contentious! Now, tell me exactly how that makes the TSA look stupid?

CXYYZ Nov 15, 2007 9:32 pm


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8738816)
you want effective security screening procedures

Ahh, so TSA does know what we want. There's still hope! ;)

Also, welcome !TSA No Play!

!TSA No Play! Nov 15, 2007 9:36 pm


Originally Posted by CXYYZ (Post 8738842)
Ahh, so TSA does know what we want. There's still hope! ;)

Also, welcome !TSA No Play!

Yes, and despite the flying publics unwarranted hatred for the front line TSOs doing their jobs, we do our best to provide effective screening despite the odds stacked against us.

And I graciously accept your welcome.

bzbdewd Nov 15, 2007 9:40 pm


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8738861)
Yes, and despite the flying publics unwarranted hatred for the front line TSOs doing their jobs, we do our best to provide effective screening despite the odds stacked against us.

And I graciously accept your welcome.

Unwarranted? maybe you should read a few more threads before you jump to that conclusion...
Before you get all flag waving about it realize that your experience with YOUR home airport may be very different from the experiences of others at other airports.... yours may be fine. I've not been to Hobby recently so I can't say. But some are NOT fine.... not by a long stretch.


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