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mkt Nov 17, 2007 11:45 am


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8745989)
Unless you're operating a world known franchise, I'd wager that compensation for even your manager is on par wth a two stripe TSO, let alone an entry level position. Now, whether I'm right or wrong about that, you'll say I'm wrong anyways.

IHG Corporate, better most well known property was the Mark Hopkins IC in San Francisco, but it wasn't my only property. My most well known IHG franchise was the Nickelodeon Hotel in Orlando. Then I left for Starwood, with the Swan and Dolphin, before losing all interest in hospitality and moving to Puerto Rico to start life anew.

The positions I hired for in Orlando were not entry level, and I'm certain that with bonuses, paid considerably more than any front line TSO earned. :)

The internet is an amazing thing, the jerk you're speaking to MAY actually be a live human being that has led a decent life.

FlyingHoustonian Nov 17, 2007 11:58 am


Originally Posted by mkt (Post 8746022)

The internet is an amazing thing, the jerk you're speaking to MAY actually be a live human being that has led a decent life.

Well then a lot of people here should realise that because some of the TSA folks have taken much abuse. You should take your own advise as should others.

The TSA has plenty of problems, standardisation being the biggest IMO but some people here take the off colour and personal comments to another level.

Ciao,
FH

KyRoamer Nov 17, 2007 12:15 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingHoustonian (Post 8746072)
The TSA has plenty of problems, standardisation being the biggest IMO but some people here take the off colour and personal comments to another level.

I agree. Time to tone things down.

TSA personnel are just doing their jobs. If we find the TSA role offensive, take it to your congressmen and senators. Donate big bucks to those who think like you do. Go for the top.

For now however don't make a painful process more painful for the rest of us. As a cpap user the new show your cpap machine is a pain BUT it is not the screeners fault.

There are bad TSA agents out there. Get their names. File complaints. Copy the politicians with those complaints.

frink Nov 17, 2007 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8745966)
I think the problem stems from the fact that alot of you don't want to take an order from someone you feel should be shining your shoes or performing some otherwise menial task for your benefit for minimum wage.

I don't take "orders" as I'm neither in the armed services, nor a waiter. I also don't take kindly to people who think they can give me "orders." The mindset that government employees can "order" regular citizens around for engaging in regular law abiding activities should make people bristle.

KleineFrau Nov 17, 2007 12:36 pm


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8745454)
I was nice and edited your post to add an "r" to make the word complete and sentence correct.

Anyway, if you want to delve the most base of logic, no one is forcing you to fly and endure the TSA "totalitarian" policies and let's take your logic even further shall we; no one is forcing you to live in this country who allows us Nazi reincarnate to exist and withhold the common man's last gasp of air under or jackboot.

It amuses me to no end that I am moving to Germany, partially to get away from the modern Nazis.

doober Nov 17, 2007 12:53 pm

Ignore, ignore, ignore
 
You know, the best thing we can do with certain posters is to just totally ignore them and not bite on their baiting. They will go away sooner.

essxjay Nov 17, 2007 1:29 pm


Originally Posted by bdschobel (Post 8744936)
Every person hired as a Federal employee (as I was) must "...solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God." 5 U.S.C. §3331

I stand corrected. Thanks for the cite. ^

bdschobel Nov 17, 2007 2:03 pm

Unfortunately, no one has answered my question: How can anyone swear to defend the Constitution and then do what TSA employees do every day? It's beyond me.

And just for the record, I would be very disinclined to hire anyone who ever worked for the TSA. I'm not saying it could never happen, but it's extremely unlikely. And, having worked for both the Federal government (for a decade at a high level) and the private sector, I can assure everyone that the private sector pays quite a bit more. TSA employees may not think so, but then again, we know how good their judgment is! :rolleyes:

Bruce

ND Sol Nov 17, 2007 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8746010)
I guess it varies from airport to airport. I rarely hear the TSOs advisements (barks to passengers) at our CP.

You don't have to go far. Just head to the airport on the north side of town.

I'm am interested in your thoughts as to how ID checks as currently conducted provide additional security?

!TSA No Play! Nov 17, 2007 2:26 pm


Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 8746798)
You don't have to go far. Just head to the airport on the north side of town.

I'm am interested in your thoughts as to how ID checks as currently conducted provide additional security?

You know, you're not going to get anywhere asking a TSO. Our procedures are determined by intel reports that come from other agencies and are passed down through the pipeline. Whatever policies that are placed into effect come from TSA HQ based on that. Whether the policy makes sense to me matters not (admittedly, without the proper intel, I can't see the reason for ID checks besides the suspicion it raises when anyone doesn't have an ID in this ID centric country), all I can do is do the checks and pass you on. If I were to say, "This policy doesn't make sense and some people on an internet forum are very upset so I refuse to enforce it," well I'd be out of a relatively well paying job for a young, single college student.

!TSA No Play! Nov 17, 2007 2:34 pm


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8746842)
You know, you're not going to get anywhere asking a TSO. Our procedures are determined by intel reports that come from other agencies and are passed down through the pipeline. Whatever policies that are placed into effect come from TSA HQ based on that. Whether the policy makes sense to me matters not (admittedly, without the proper intel, I can't see the reason for ID checks besides the suspicion it raises when anyone doesn't have an ID in this ID centric country), all I can do is do the checks and pass you on. If I were to say, "This policy doesn't make sense and some people on an internet forum are very upset so I refuse to enforce it," well I'd be out of a relatively well paying job for a young, single college student.

And to add on to my opinion of the ID check policy, it's a good way to weed out the less sophisticated potential terrorist among us who must rely on fake or altered IDs. For those with real IDs we have other security measures in place that are in place to trip them up. Now, of course I'm sure this is not satisfactory to you, but that's my reasoning. I'm sure the boys at HQ have better reasoning than I do.

MikeMpls Nov 17, 2007 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8746882)
For those with real IDs we have other security measures in place that are in place to trip them up.

Yeah, right ....

Do I hear twenty for the Brooklyn Bridge? Going twenty, twenty, twenty, do I hear twenty ....?

Spiff Nov 17, 2007 3:00 pm


Originally Posted by MikeMpls (Post 8746990)
Yeah, right ....

Do I hear twenty for the Brooklyn Bridge? Going twenty, twenty, twenty, do I hear twenty ....?

"Smoke up, Johnny!" :D

!TSA No Play! Nov 17, 2007 3:04 pm


Originally Posted by MikeMpls (Post 8746990)
Yeah, right ....

Do I hear twenty for the Brooklyn Bridge? Going twenty, twenty, twenty, do I hear twenty ....?

I guess I'm not only a TSO, I'm a psychic because I predicted the skepticism. I'll give you twenty for the Brooklyn and some beads for that little strip of island over there.

whirledtraveler Nov 17, 2007 3:08 pm


Originally Posted by !TSA No Play! (Post 8746842)
You know, you're not going to get anywhere asking a TSO. Our procedures are determined by intel reports that come from other agencies and are passed down through the pipeline. Whatever policies that are placed into effect come from TSA HQ based on that. Whether the policy makes sense to me matters not (admittedly, without the proper intel, I can't see the reason for ID checks besides the suspicion it raises when anyone doesn't have an ID in this ID centric country), all I can do is do the checks and pass you on. If I were to say, "This policy doesn't make sense and some people on an internet forum are very upset so I refuse to enforce it," well I'd be out of a relatively well paying job for a young, single college student.

Ah, you're young. :)


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