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Oh, and Russia does the shoe thing too
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Originally Posted by EngIceDave
(Post 8760747)
if the 3oz liquid thing is so bad and TSA so wrong for doing it, why is it being done worldwide and even in Russia?
Why would Russia do the same as the USA if it was for no reason at all? Isn't as if Russia is really big on following the USA's lead on things That's only for flights to the US from Russia, amigo. Flying anywhere else out of Russia you don't have to put your 3oz liquids in an idiot baggie. It's a US rule that US bound flights have to comply with. Interestingly, you'll notice that TSA doesn't even make the claim in their recent press release that Russia is one of the countries "harmonized" with their 3-1-1 rule. So that's a compeltely bogus / misconstrued / made up point. Go to this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=756896 Over half of the countries they claim to be "harmonized" do not, in fact, have or implement the 3-1-1 liquids rule. It's a flight of fantasy. The TSA even lists "South Korea" and "Republic of Korea" seperately as if they're different countries to make the list seem longer. Just because someone else is doing it doesn't mean it makes sense. Maybe they're just as stupid as we are. Why not ask this question: If it's such a great idea, why aren't the overwhelming majority of countries in the world implementing the rule? peace, ~Ben~ |
Agreed, a tiny bit off, sorry...I mention it to point out that it's not solely TSA who makes or follows these rules
That said, you're incorrect, I flew out of SVO to CDG and it was 3oz liquids and shoes like usual |
Originally Posted by EngIceDave
(Post 8760942)
Agreed, a tiny bit off, sorry...I mention it to point out that it's not solely TSA who makes or follows these rules
That said, you're incorrect, I flew out of SVO to CDG and it was 3oz liquids and shoes like usual peace, ~Ben~ |
Originally Posted by seoulmanjr
(Post 8761069)
Just as with flights to the US, that's because France has the rule and that was your destination. Not because Russia has it, AFAIK. Do they have the liquid rule for purely domestic Russian flights?
peace, ~Ben~ |
Originally Posted by EngIceDave
(Post 8760747)
ID check may not prevent anything from happening, but it does confirm the manifest to assist any post-event (God forbid) investigation.
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Originally Posted by EngIceDave
(Post 8760747)
ID check may not prevent anything from happening, but it does confirm the manifest to assist any post-event (God forbid) investigation.
ID checks are absolutely worthless for security, as long as we do not use time-stamped, airport-printed, securely documented boarding passes instead of permitting OLCI and off-airport printers. However, the TSA and Congress are aware that the big business airline lobby will not allow OLCI to be removed, as it would directly impact their bottom line, forcing the airlines back to larger airport staff positions. Thus, ID does not equal security, except in the eyes of Herr Chertoff and his Goebbels-esque minions. It is nothing more than an attempt at justification for the existence of the TSA and justification for budget growth during the next fiscal cycles. |
Originally Posted by DevilDog438
(Post 8765209)
Last time I checked, the NTSB is the one that worries about things post-event related to transportation incidents. They are a member of the Department of Transportation. If ID checks are to be used for that governmental purpose, then NTSB should assign its personnel to the task of actively validating each px against the manifest for each flight. As it is, we have the TSA performing the task, claiming it is for security, when they have no actual proof that the B/P is valid for any particular flight, or if the name on the B/P that is presented is actually on a real manifest at the time of presentation at the C/P.
ID checks are absolutely worthless for security, as long as we do not use time-stamped, airport-printed, securely documented boarding passes instead of permitting OLCI and off-airport printers. However, the TSA and Congress are aware that the big business airline lobby will not allow OLCI to be removed, as it would directly impact their bottom line, forcing the airlines back to larger airport staff positions. Thus, ID does not equal security, except in the eyes of Herr Chertoff and his Goebbels-esque minions. It is nothing more than an attempt at justification for the existence of the TSA and justification for budget growth during the next fiscal cycles. Moreover, a passenger can forge a BP, show his/her ID and then travel on another completely different ticket under a different name. Stupidity circumvented. Easily. |
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 8765224)
Hear, hear! ^
Moreover, a passenger can forge a BP, show his/her ID and then travel on another completely different ticket under a different name. Stupidity circumvented. Easily. |
Originally Posted by EngIceDave
(Post 8760747)
ID check may not prevent anything from happening, but it does confirm the manifest to assist any post-event (God forbid) investigation.
The ID checkers don't verify that someone is booked on a given flight, or that that person boards the flight. All that can be done without any ID checks whatsoever, and checking ID does nothing to strengthen or reinforce that data, either. |
Any update on electronics out at the airports? Starting to travel again this weekend and want to be prepared if I have to pack in layers :) and whether they will want to inspect my GPS.
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Originally Posted by biggs
(Post 8802402)
Any update on electronics out at the airports? Starting to travel again this weekend and want to be prepared if I have to pack in layers :) and whether they will want to inspect my GPS.
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Originally Posted by biggs
(Post 8802402)
Any update on electronics out at the airports? Starting to travel again this weekend and want to be prepared if I have to pack in layers :) and whether they will want to inspect my GPS.
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just laptops and video cameras at PHL and MCO last week
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I went through JFK and LAS this past weekend. No need to remove anything electronic other than my laptop. TSO's at both airports were quite pleasant and professional. No barkers, no yelling, and they didn't even care that no one bothered to take out their Kippie bags.
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