And we "THANK YOU."

all I can do right now is >>> sigh <<<


I don't hold screeners responsible for all the inconvenience and idiocy but I do think you have a voice in the matter. I can also understand your reluctance to voice your opinions.

Federalizing security was a bad, bad mistake and we are now suffering the consequences.

As a citizen of this country, I am ready to take respnisbility for my own safety.

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

I can't speak for down there, but up here, YOU, the passenger, have a much bigger say in how things are run than we, the screeners, do. We have some very vocal screeners who are always trying to get common sense changes put in place, but the only time something actually changes is when either the TSA wants it to change (because we always follow TSA's lead) or a passenger somewhere has made a really big fuss about something. And I don't mean fuss as in incident at a point; I mean letters and politician/regulator contact.

Please re-read my post. I do not claim that the chicken@#$% excuse of implied consent is unconstitutional (though it should be). I do not claim that my civil rights are violated. If they were, the violator would be in court. I do claim that my civil liberties are violated. This is not an illegal practice, merely a disgusting, useless gesture that flies in the face of democracy.



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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry

So in essense you are saying that the TSA is not doing anything wrong, nor is anything that the TSA is doing a violation of the constitution. That is rather interesting coming from you Spiff. maybe some of those out there that pass out copies of the 4th amendment might like to hear this. For they seem to be very misinformed.

It is how the current, misguided Supreme Court has unfortunately ruled. I definitely disagree with that decision and maintain that my civil liberties are being violated. There's a difference between doing something illegal and something that is legal but wrong. Spam is a great example of this. Racism and Slavery in America were legal for a long time. Was it right or wrong while it was legal?



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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry

Of course it is your opinion that what the TSA is doing is wrong. It might not be the best way of doing things, but I don't think it is "wrong."

Comparing slavery and racism to the TSA procedures is a bit over the top, but I do see your analogy even though I happen to disagree with it. Something that is inconvienient and generally unpleasant is not necessarily "wrong." I feel it is wrong of the DMV to make me wait in line for 3-4 hours to get my DL renewed, but does that make it so?

The DMV is wasting your time, not violating your person and possessions.



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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry

Have you actually been violated Spiff? With all those people and cameras around? Have your possessions been roughed up too?

Don't know about Spiff.

A deputy sheriff in CVG threatened to arrest me when I objected to the request of the screener that I undo my belt and open my pants. And we were ARRIVING from Europe, and TRYING TO LEAVE the airport. He even had the wit to suggest that I had "a dangerous weapon" down there... what a travesty!

I was quite reluctantly allowed a private screening (which is my right, but getting them to agree is like pulling teeth) in SDF after another such request.

My wife was threatened with arrest when she expressed the opinion that her "secondary" search was pointless and not "random". For expressing AN OPINION? This threatens airport security?

Some of those employees at airport insecurity have not been trained in their authority, our rights, or the purpose of what they do.

Just last month in Baltimore a restaurant employee insisted to me that a city ordinance required her to charge me a 20% gratuity! It was only after I asked them to call the REAL LIVE city police to confirm this that she backed down. She was definitely TSA material, I would say!

Power-tripping low level bureaucratic types get my goat, especially when they lie about their authority.

Even a couple of bad experiences at airport insecurity makes it unpleasant to anticipate. And those of us who fly often have more opportunities to suffer those bad experiences.

So we give you our opinions when we still HAVE to fly. Consider it a cost of doing business.

I've been strip-searched (shoes off, belt buckle undone), felt up, and have had my stuff rummaged through. That's being violated. I got into an argument with a National Guardsman when this whole scummy process started about how if I didn't submit to these indignities, I couldn't fly. I loudly wondered what country I was in and he didn't like that too much, but then again he was about 4 more sentences away from being told a lot worse.



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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry

My possessions have beem roughed up and re-packed with the omission of a few key items. I was also inappropriately wanded once.

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

[This message has been edited by tazi (edited 06-05-2003).]

I've inappropriately wanded a couple times. Sometimes large breasts get in the way on the up stroke. Rather embarrassing I must say.

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[This message has been edited by CATSA Screener (edited 06-05-2003).]

My crotch got in the way.



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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin