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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 4:34 am
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TSA said that on Sunday it had a 7.7% national rate in unscheduled absences for its workers and it was 5.6% on Saturday.

A 7.7% unscheduled absence rate means that there has been a huge increase in unscheduled absences from prior years.

My bet is that unscheduled absence rates arent evenly distributed across all airports, and that the rates are more likely to be higher in some parts of the country than in other parts of the country.

This is a relatively off-peak travel time of the year, and thats why the passengers arent all that aware yet of what the shutdown means for them personally. At some point an absence rate this high will make for even way worse than usual screening lines at airports.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 5:51 am
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TSA said that on Sunday it had a 7.7% national rate in unscheduled absences for its workers and it was 5.6% on Saturday.

A 7.7% unscheduled absence rate means that there has been a huge increase in unscheduled absences from prior years.

My bet is that unscheduled absence rates arent evenly distributed across all airports, and that the rates are more likely to be higher in some parts of the country than in other parts of the country.

This is a relatively off-peak travel time of the year, and thats why the passengers arent all that aware yet of what the shutdown means for them personally. At some point an absence rate this high will make for even way worse than usual screening lines at airports.
Has anyone noticed a loosening of screening standards?

"Just had one of the easiest security experiences ever at @EWRairport thanks to dedicated, organized , efficient @TSA staff."

"Big props to @TSA & @UnitedAirlines teams at @EWRairport this morning. Massive lines moving super fast with no issues at all. Thanks for starting my trip on the right foot"

The two above comments from an airport notorious for long lines and awful TSA.

OTOH, "Just got through... Took me nearly an hour to get through precheck. Never seen ATL this bad before"
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 8:05 am
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Has anyone noticed a loosening of screening standards?
I flew out of PHX on Friday morning. At least in Terminal 4, there were only two lines open. I was #3 of about 6 people waiting in line for the one pornoscope "servicing" both lines. All of a sudden, the clerk guarding the metal detector pointed at us in line and said, "First three over here!" We walked through the metal detector without any doggies in sight. I even still had my belt on. What a huge risk to civil aviation security!!!

NB: Now that I think about it, I didn't see a single groping or bag check going on either at PHX or at Dulles when I flew on Sunday afternoon.

It's clear to me that the TSA is going to have to invent a new threat if they hope to motivate their clerkforce to actually show up for work.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 8:44 am
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Monday: 7.6% callout rate vs 3.2% normal

Dulles and Atlanta to implement "contingency plans." Unknown if this means closing a terminal like Miami and Houston


Is there a guide to linking twitter posts? I cant seem to make them work.

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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 9:09 am
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Originally Posted by jamesinclair
Monday: 7.6% callout rate vs 3.2% normal

Dulles and Atlanta to implement "contingency plans." Unknown if this means closing a terminal like Miami and Houston


Is there a guide to linking twitter posts? I cant seem to make them work.

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That's about 4,000 employees not showing up for work. I sincerely hope that TSA management is taking notes and will punish those employees who did not meet the requirements of their jobs.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 9:19 am
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Sounds like they didn't "meet the requirements of their jobs" in the first place. People with money problems can't get security clearances. Why are broke people being entrusted with our airline security? It's a disaster waiting to happen.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 9:34 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
That's about 4,000 employees not showing up for work. I sincerely hope that TSA management is taking notes and will punish those employees who did not meet the requirements of their jobs.
I'd like to see a major sickout at whatever DC airport our politicians use the most.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by joe_miami
Sounds like they didn't "meet the requirements of their jobs" in the first place. People with money problems can't get security clearances. Why are broke people being entrusted with our airline security? It's a disaster waiting to happen.
It's possible that no money problems existed until the paycheck didn't show up.

I'd suggest that the degree of terrorist threat is low enough that for the most part TSA screeners are an unnecessary expense.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 9:54 am
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Originally Posted by jamesinclair
Monday: 7.6% callout rate vs 3.2% normal
It seems awfully early in the day to be publishing that statistic. The evening shift on the west coast isn't even likely awake yet, that percentage can only go up. I had a friend fly this weekend, BWI was WTMD only for all while BNA was still attempting to get the majority through the nudoscopes.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 9:59 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
It's possible that no money problems existed until the paycheck didn't show up.
Anyone who's one missed paycheck away from financial calamity already had money problems.

I'd suggest that the degree of terrorist threat is low enough that for the most part TSA screeners are an unnecessary expense.
This is a topic for a different thread, but this isn't 1950. We know there are people out there working on ways to blow up planes.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 10:48 am
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Originally Posted by joe_miami
Sounds like they didn't "meet the requirements of their jobs" in the first place. People with money problems can't get security clearances. Why are broke people being entrusted with our airline security? It's a disaster waiting to happen.
The financial criteria for the level of clearance most TSA clerks need isn't all that stringent and lots depends on the reasons behind any difficulties. Anyway, having a financial impact from a missing paycheck doesn't necessarily make one "broke". Some could simply be concerned about what's to come and want to shore up their reserves, since the President and others in office have repeatedly made assertions that the shutdown could go on for "weeks or months" - it's already the longest shutdown in history. I'd guess that some of them are going on job interviews. Likely we'll see more of these employees begin to simply quit for other jobs, if this goes on much longer.

At this point, the Federal government is in violation of the Fair Labor Standards Act for failing to timely pay its employees, as the Court of Federal Claims previously ruled in a lawsuit connected to the 2013 shutdown and excepted employees.

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits...utdown/135541/

I'm no fan of the TSA whatsoever, just seeing different perspectives on the present situation. Maybe this whole episode will, among other things, prompt a re-evaluation of our overall strategy for commercial airline passenger security. (Probably not but who knows.)
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 11:52 am
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Originally Posted by chollie
I'd like to see a major sickout at whatever DC airport our politicians use the most.
DCA would make it the most painful for them.

Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
That's about 4,000 employees not showing up for work. I sincerely hope that TSA management is taking notes and will punish those employees who did not meet the requirements of their jobs.
I hope for the opposite of punishment for such absentees. People being made to work without pay delivered on time is completely inappropriate in a world where slavery and indentured servitude are both considered abominations. If the TSA screeners doing this are military personnel and were doing screening as part of military duty, then that would be a different story but fortunately TSA aint military nor even law enforcement in the main.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 12:10 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder


I hope for the opposite of punishment for such absentees. People being made to work without pay delivered on time is completely inappropriate in a world where slavery and indentured servitude are both considered abominations. If the TSA screeners doing this are military personnel and were doing screening as part of military duty, then that would be a different story but fortunately TSA aint military nor even law enforcement in the main.
LOL. It's part of the job description with which they agreed upfront. Cry me a river.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by joe_miami
LOL. It's part of the job description with which they agreed upfront. Cry me a river.
They all knowingly agreed to be employed under conditions where they may not get paid on time by their employer? I doubt it.

Civilians being forced to work without timely pay due to government is worth criticizing, even when the civilian workforce subject to this is the TSA.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 12:28 pm
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They all knowingly agreed to be employed under conditions where they may not get paid on time by their employer? I doubt it.
Yes, it's an explicit part of the job description.
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