TSA slowdown / sickout
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There are also lots of news stories about the Secret Service and FBI being hit by the shutdown. But their absentee rates aren’t at 8%. But they also get paid more than the average TSA employee and are more likely to have deeper family financial means to tap than lower wage and lower net worth TSA employees.
There are even some news stories about federal government contractors being hit.

But I'm not surprised that TSOs are among the first to suffer increased sick-outage. Much as we complain about whether they're actually earning their pay, it cannot be denied that they don't make much money, and missing half a month's pay hurts lower-paid workers much more than it does higher-paid workers.
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TSA is now experiencing an increase in resignations. Given low pay and lack of serious career potential, in a locale where there is decent work available, it is just as easy to jump ship to a better-paying job. Many Officers are military veterans and do not have the benefit of long-term employment to build up a rainy day fund.
FBI agents and others are much better paid and are less likely to find comparable work and less likely to give up a solid law enforcement retirement benefit.
Many contractors were issued stop work orders on the date of the shut down, so it is not a matter of when they bill; they were simply prohibited from incurring the obligation. Their employees, the people who are referred to as "contractors" but who are really employees of a contractor are in trouble because they are highly unlikely to ever be paid.
Contractors also have to pay their people to work, if authorized. Only the federal government can both require an individual to work and then not pay him. Contractors also have other payments they cannot escape, e.g. rent and equipment costs. Some of those contractors won't make it through this and, if they do, because unemployment premiums are based on claims (in part), those who have laid off their people will experience higher costs for the next 3-5 years if they survive.
FBI agents and others are much better paid and are less likely to find comparable work and less likely to give up a solid law enforcement retirement benefit.
Many contractors were issued stop work orders on the date of the shut down, so it is not a matter of when they bill; they were simply prohibited from incurring the obligation. Their employees, the people who are referred to as "contractors" but who are really employees of a contractor are in trouble because they are highly unlikely to ever be paid.
Contractors also have to pay their people to work, if authorized. Only the federal government can both require an individual to work and then not pay him. Contractors also have other payments they cannot escape, e.g. rent and equipment costs. Some of those contractors won't make it through this and, if they do, because unemployment premiums are based on claims (in part), those who have laid off their people will experience higher costs for the next 3-5 years if they survive.
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Do we know that other agencies aren't seeing the same increasing absenteeism and employee loss as TSA?
Aside from the Post Office, the only Federal employees I interact with frequently are TSOs. I wouldn't notice quickly if Correctional Officers or ATF Special Agents started calling in sick.
Aside from the Post Office, the only Federal employees I interact with frequently are TSOs. I wouldn't notice quickly if Correctional Officers or ATF Special Agents started calling in sick.
If I worked for TSA I'd still try the lawsuit angle and see if a court would agree that no pay means no work obligation. AT least that would remove the legal jeopardy issue.
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Without getting specific I do know of some workers within one impacted agency and to my knowledge they are not calling out sick like TSA workers are. They might have a bit better pay structure but not significantly more.
If I worked for TSA I'd still try the lawsuit angle and see if a court would agree that no pay means no work obligation. AT least that would remove the legal jeopardy issue.
If I worked for TSA I'd still try the lawsuit angle and see if a court would agree that no pay means no work obligation. AT least that would remove the legal jeopardy issue.
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There are also lots of news stories about the Secret Service and FBI being hit by the shutdown. But their absentee rates aren’t at 8%. But they also get paid more than the average TSA employee and are more likely to have deeper family financial means to tap than lower wage and lower net worth TSA employees.
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It takes a lot longer for a shutdown to hit a contractor, because they invoice at longer intervals than the federal bi-monthly pay cycle. But with the shutdown now longer than thirty days, many contractors have missed a paycheck as well, so I wonder if some of them will begin work actions as well.
But I'm not surprised that TSOs are among the first to suffer increased sick-outage. Much as we complain about whether they're actually earning their pay, it cannot be denied that they don't make much money, and missing half a month's pay hurts lower-paid workers much more than it does higher-paid workers.
But I'm not surprised that TSOs are among the first to suffer increased sick-outage. Much as we complain about whether they're actually earning their pay, it cannot be denied that they don't make much money, and missing half a month's pay hurts lower-paid workers much more than it does higher-paid workers.
There's no discussion of the fact that many lower-paid folks are one-half of a dual-income household and they are not the primary wage-earner.
It's also possible to be earning six figures and still be unable to deal with a delayed paycheck. We hear about 'big numbers' of TSOs quitting, but reports are conspicuously silent on the actual number. I suspect that's because it's 99% talk and few are actually leaving.
The IRS is calling back several thousand workers - delayed paychecks - to process income tax returns. I haven't heard the level of threats and complaints from the IRS folks that seem to be coming from the airports. For what it's worth, I just googled pay scales for TSA, the IRS and the Coast Guard (under the same umbrella as TSA). The lower end of the payscale is pretty much the same for all three, so why aren't the IRS and Coast Guard people threatening to quit and whining? Are they non-union? Is that the difference?
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TSA is now experiencing an increase in resignations. Given low pay and lack of serious career potential, in a locale where there is decent work available, it is just as easy to jump ship to a better-paying job. Many Officers are military veterans and do not have the benefit of long-term employment to build up a rainy day fund.
FBI agents and others are much better paid and are less likely to find comparable work and less likely to give up a solid law enforcement retirement benefit.
Many contractors were issued stop work orders on the date of the shut down, so it is not a matter of when they bill; they were simply prohibited from incurring the obligation. Their employees, the people who are referred to as "contractors" but who are really employees of a contractor are in trouble because they are highly unlikely to ever be paid.
Contractors also have to pay their people to work, if authorized. Only the federal government can both require an individual to work and then not pay him. Contractors also have other payments they cannot escape, e.g. rent and equipment costs. Some of those contractors won't make it through this and, if they do, because unemployment premiums are based on claims (in part), those who have laid off their people will experience higher costs for the next 3-5 years if they survive.
FBI agents and others are much better paid and are less likely to find comparable work and less likely to give up a solid law enforcement retirement benefit.
Many contractors were issued stop work orders on the date of the shut down, so it is not a matter of when they bill; they were simply prohibited from incurring the obligation. Their employees, the people who are referred to as "contractors" but who are really employees of a contractor are in trouble because they are highly unlikely to ever be paid.
Contractors also have to pay their people to work, if authorized. Only the federal government can both require an individual to work and then not pay him. Contractors also have other payments they cannot escape, e.g. rent and equipment costs. Some of those contractors won't make it through this and, if they do, because unemployment premiums are based on claims (in part), those who have laid off their people will experience higher costs for the next 3-5 years if they survive.
When you work for a private company, if you show up and work, they MUST pay you. End of story, that's the law.
If a company is under contract to the fed, and they are not issued a stop work order during the shutdown, they are contractually obligated to continue working. Their invoices will not be paid until the shutdown ends, but they WILL be paid for any hours worked, shutdown or not.
If the company has been issued a stop work order during a shutdown, then they cannot allow their employees to work on the federal project, and they have two choices - furlough the employee, or put them on another project for the duration of the stop work order.
So, the only private sector employees who will not be paid at all during the shutdown are those who a) work for a company that was issued a stop work order, AND b) work for a company that didn't keep them working on other projects during the shutdown (such as companies who foolishly built their entire customer base on a single client).
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News flash: the TSA sickout has now reached ten percent of the workforce.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ck/2636495002/
I must admit, when we first heard of this issue a week ago, I scoffed. Only a slight uptick in the number of sick calls, I thought. No big deal, I thought.
But when your sick outage reaches ten percent of the workforce, multiple airports closing checkpoints due to short staffing, and the end of the shutdown is nowhere in sight, I must admit, I was wrong - this is significant.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ck/2636495002/
I must admit, when we first heard of this issue a week ago, I scoffed. Only a slight uptick in the number of sick calls, I thought. No big deal, I thought.
But when your sick outage reaches ten percent of the workforce, multiple airports closing checkpoints due to short staffing, and the end of the shutdown is nowhere in sight, I must admit, I was wrong - this is significant.
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News flash: the TSA sickout has now reached ten percent of the workforce.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ck/2636495002/
I must admit, when we first heard of this issue a week ago, I scoffed. Only a slight uptick in the number of sick calls, I thought. No big deal, I thought.
But when your sick outage reaches ten percent of the workforce, multiple airports closing checkpoints due to short staffing, and the end of the shutdown is nowhere in sight, I must admit, I was wrong - this is significant.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ck/2636495002/
I must admit, when we first heard of this issue a week ago, I scoffed. Only a slight uptick in the number of sick calls, I thought. No big deal, I thought.
But when your sick outage reaches ten percent of the workforce, multiple airports closing checkpoints due to short staffing, and the end of the shutdown is nowhere in sight, I must admit, I was wrong - this is significant.
The 'average' wait time is 30 minutes? That's pretty misleading, considering it is very very rare for small commuter airports (a few flights a day) to ever experience a long wait. Those figures should not be averaged in with the numbers from airports like ATL that are experiencing much longer wait times.
It simply isn't fair to the pax (or TSOs or airline employees) to post misleading statements about wait times. There is no reason for someone to assume they have to show up at a puddle-jumper airport three hours early. There is every reason to think three hours will be needed at ATL. Why put pax, airline employees and TSOs through unnecessary stress? Is it just because TSA bonuses are based on misleading numbers?
I don't know if it was ever fixed, but TSA had a wait time tool at one time. Someone realized that it only went to 30 minutes, the maximum 'acceptable' wait time. It wasn't possible to feed it a longer wait time.
I'm less worried about a screener missing a bottle of water than I am about getting a delayed tax refund.
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I have seen no evidence that the TSOs calling in sick are only or mostly very lowly paid, ie, LTSOs and STSOs and BDOs, the higher paid ranks, are showing up.
There's no discussion of the fact that many lower-paid folks are one-half of a dual-income household and they are not the primary wage-earner.
It's also possible to be earning six figures and still be unable to deal with a delayed paycheck. We hear about 'big numbers' of TSOs quitting, but reports are conspicuously silent on the actual number. I suspect that's because it's 99% talk and few are actually leaving.
The IRS is calling back several thousand workers - delayed paychecks - to process income tax returns. I haven't heard the level of threats and complaints from the IRS folks that seem to be coming from the airports. For what it's worth, I just googled pay scales for TSA, the IRS and the Coast Guard (under the same umbrella as TSA). The lower end of the payscale is pretty much the same for all three, so why aren't the IRS and Coast Guard people threatening to quit and whining? Are they non-union? Is that the difference?
There's no discussion of the fact that many lower-paid folks are one-half of a dual-income household and they are not the primary wage-earner.
It's also possible to be earning six figures and still be unable to deal with a delayed paycheck. We hear about 'big numbers' of TSOs quitting, but reports are conspicuously silent on the actual number. I suspect that's because it's 99% talk and few are actually leaving.
The IRS is calling back several thousand workers - delayed paychecks - to process income tax returns. I haven't heard the level of threats and complaints from the IRS folks that seem to be coming from the airports. For what it's worth, I just googled pay scales for TSA, the IRS and the Coast Guard (under the same umbrella as TSA). The lower end of the payscale is pretty much the same for all three, so why aren't the IRS and Coast Guard people threatening to quit and whining? Are they non-union? Is that the difference?
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Um...
When you work for a private company, if you show up and work, they MUST pay you. End of story, that's the law.
If a company is under contract to the fed, and they are not issued a stop work order during the shutdown, they are contractually obligated to continue working. Their invoices will not be paid until the shutdown ends, but they WILL be paid for any hours worked, shutdown or not.
If the company has been issued a stop work order during a shutdown, then they cannot allow their employees to work on the federal project, and they have two choices - furlough the employee, or put them on another project for the duration of the stop work order.
So, the only private sector employees who will not be paid at all during the shutdown are those who a) work for a company that was issued a stop work order, AND b) work for a company that didn't keep them working on other projects during the shutdown (such as companies who foolishly built their entire customer base on a single client).
When you work for a private company, if you show up and work, they MUST pay you. End of story, that's the law.
If a company is under contract to the fed, and they are not issued a stop work order during the shutdown, they are contractually obligated to continue working. Their invoices will not be paid until the shutdown ends, but they WILL be paid for any hours worked, shutdown or not.
If the company has been issued a stop work order during a shutdown, then they cannot allow their employees to work on the federal project, and they have two choices - furlough the employee, or put them on another project for the duration of the stop work order.
So, the only private sector employees who will not be paid at all during the shutdown are those who a) work for a company that was issued a stop work order, AND b) work for a company that didn't keep them working on other projects during the shutdown (such as companies who foolishly built their entire customer base on a single client).
The problem is that while those functions are critical and the failure to monitor has long-term negative impact on all of us, TSA is a front-line operation which is also front-line heavy.
It isn't worth arguing because the fact remains that nothing has or will be done about the people who call in sick and nothing can be done to people who have simply left (some "ghosting" by not even calling in to say they are done.

