TSA slowdown / sickout
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How about the day after SuperBowl when historic numbers of people are trying to leave ATL?
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Might be as easy as activating the National Guard. Aren't those the folks we already see on patrol at Penn Station in New York City and at the Port Authority airports? Might entail a lot of hand searches and pat downs, but they'd surely get passengers moving if there were no TSA screeners. I wonder if some of them are already tasked to Super Bowl venues.
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Have we yet exceeded 12% nation-wide absentee rates for the TSA?
I doubt that the average National Guard member using the baggage scanners would be anywhere close to being more effective at finding WEIs than the current TSA screeners using the machines. Using a WTMD and doing dog and pony show patdowns are easily replicated, but the effectiveness of scanner use is much more up in the air and varies based on training and experience. And then there is the whole issue of having to deal with the ridiculous ID w/boarding pass checks if the National Guard were to do this.
We really should get rid of the TSA as we know it and put this stuff in the hands of airports and airlines again and end the passenger ID checks.
Might be as easy as activating the National Guard. Aren't those the folks we already see on patrol at Penn Station in New York City and at the Port Authority airports? Might entail a lot of hand searches and pat downs, but they'd surely get passengers moving if there were no TSA screeners. I wonder if some of them are already tasked to Super Bowl venues.
We really should get rid of the TSA as we know it and put this stuff in the hands of airports and airlines again and end the passenger ID checks.
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Might be as easy as activating the National Guard. Aren't those the folks we already see on patrol at Penn Station in New York City and at the Port Authority airports? Might entail a lot of hand searches and pat downs, but they'd surely get passengers moving if there were no TSA screeners. I wonder if some of them are already tasked to Super Bowl venues.
This isn't a military dictatorship, it's a free society, and if our fear of the terr'ist boogie-man is so great that we're willing to let the armed forces (even the National Guard) handle something as inherently civilian as airport passenger screening, we're in far deeper trouble than having a dysfunctional government.
Have we yet exceeded 12% nation-wide absentee rates for the TSA?
I doubt that the average National Guard member using the baggage scanners would be anywhere close to being more effective at finding WEIs than the current TSA screeners using the machines. Using a WTMD and doing dog and pony show patdowns are easily replicated, but the effectiveness of scanner use is much more up in the air and varies based on training and experience. And then there is the whole issue of having to deal with the ridiculous ID w/boarding pass checks if the National Guard were to do this.
We really should get rid of the TSA as we know it and put this stuff in the hands of airports and airlines again and end the passenger ID checks.
I doubt that the average National Guard member using the baggage scanners would be anywhere close to being more effective at finding WEIs than the current TSA screeners using the machines. Using a WTMD and doing dog and pony show patdowns are easily replicated, but the effectiveness of scanner use is much more up in the air and varies based on training and experience. And then there is the whole issue of having to deal with the ridiculous ID w/boarding pass checks if the National Guard were to do this.
We really should get rid of the TSA as we know it and put this stuff in the hands of airports and airlines again and end the passenger ID checks.
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Even if the National Guard members on average were at least as effective as TSA in WEI interdiction at civilian airports, the whole optics of further militarization of America for non-emergency purposes would be completely unwelcome by me. And I wouldn't find this kind of shutdown-driven 15% absentee rate of TSA screeners to be a national emergency requiring further militarization of American life in the civil sphere.
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Has it started:
FAA halts some arriving traffic into LaGuardia
Just a headline so far.
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edit to add:
The story has been updated with a few details.
FAA halts some arriving traffic into LaGuardia
Just a headline so far.
Correction: FAA halts some arriving traffic into LaGuardia Airport amid shortage of air traffic control workers
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edit to add:
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Has it started:
FAA halts some arriving traffic into LaGuardia
Just a headline so far.
edit to add:
The story has been updated with a few details.
FAA halts some arriving traffic into LaGuardia
Just a headline so far.
edit to add:
The story has been updated with a few details.
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It's absolutely sad that it has to come to THIS level to get the govt to actually do something. We'll see.
And honestly people should've seen this coming from a mile away.
How many of us here can say we'll happily keep working a highly stressful job (eg, ATC) or a highly thankless job (TSA agents) without pay and we were required to show up anyway without knowing when our next paycheck will be?
And honestly people should've seen this coming from a mile away.
How many of us here can say we'll happily keep working a highly stressful job (eg, ATC) or a highly thankless job (TSA agents) without pay and we were required to show up anyway without knowing when our next paycheck will be?
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They can be less effective. If I put a bunch of 7 years old to play TSA with the TSA luggage scanning machines, there would be a lot more variability in outcomes. While it wouldn't be as extreme with adult National Guard members as doing the same with a bunch of 7 year olds on the luggage scanning machines, I am pretty sure there would be even more extreme variability in outcomes with random National Guard members doing the screening than with even the current TSA crew.
Even if the National Guard members on average were at least as effective as TSA in WEI interdiction at civilian airports, the whole optics of further militarization of America for non-emergency purposes would be completely unwelcome by me. And I wouldn't find this kind of shutdown-driven 15% absentee rate of TSA screeners to be a national emergency requiring further militarization of American life in the civil sphere.
Even if the National Guard members on average were at least as effective as TSA in WEI interdiction at civilian airports, the whole optics of further militarization of America for non-emergency purposes would be completely unwelcome by me. And I wouldn't find this kind of shutdown-driven 15% absentee rate of TSA screeners to be a national emergency requiring further militarization of American life in the civil sphere.
Has it started:
FAA halts some arriving traffic into LaGuardia
Just a headline so far.
edit to add:
The story has been updated with a few details.
FAA halts some arriving traffic into LaGuardia
Just a headline so far.
edit to add:
The story has been updated with a few details.
In the meantime, I imagine that once paychecks go out, at least some of the TSA sick-outs will return to work, but I think we'll also see a lot of breath-holding, and a lot of TSOs simply quitting and looking for other work.
I wonder whether the resignation rate will be higher among those who called out sick, or those who worked through without pay?
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Hm... don't the National Guard and the active military have hundreds of fully-qualified ATCs? I wouldn't be too sorry to see some of those folks called in to alleviate the difficulties in the towers, since they wouldn't be engaging in violations of travelers' civil rights or acting in any sort of security, law enforcement, or military capacity. I would see that situation as comparable to the NG engaging in rescue efforts after a natural disaster - they're out there not as warfighters or occupation/peacekeeping forces, but as rescuers and aid workers.

