Community
Wiki Posts
Search

TSA slowdown / sickout

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 5, 2019 | 9:16 am
  #31  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DCA
Programs: UA US CO AA DL FL
Posts: 50,253
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
Another reason why security screening should be contractor operated.
How can you say that when one of the locations is apparently SFO and that is staffed by contractors?

The problem is greater for contractors. Government employees who are "essential" will get paid for their work whenever there is an appropriation. Contractors almost certainly will not.
Often1 is offline  
Old Jan 5, 2019 | 9:19 am
  #32  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
20 Countries Visited
500k
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: DFW
Posts: 30,986
Originally Posted by Often1
How can you say that when one of the locations is apparently SFO and that is staffed by contractors?

The problem is greater for contractors. Government employees who are "essential" will get paid for their work whenever there is an appropriation. Contractors almost certainly will not.
Contract screeners are paid by their {civilian} employer. The government has already funded the contract for a given period so those people will be paid per the contract. If government defaults on the contract then the company will have recourse in the courts.
MSPeconomist likes this.

Last edited by Boggie Dog; Jan 5, 2019 at 9:39 am Reason: clarification
Boggie Dog is offline  
Old Jan 5, 2019 | 6:25 pm
  #33  
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 802
The longer it lasts, the more TSA employees will be calling in sick because they're sick of working for free. Eventually it'll lead to employees quitting. Private security companies would be wise to hire disgruntled TSA agents. Guarantee that if the shutdown lasts for "years" like Trump has threatened, almost everyone will quit.
nd2010 is offline  
Old Jan 6, 2019 | 7:39 am
  #34  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
1M
50 Countries Visited
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 72,274
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
Contract screeners are paid by their {civilian} employer. The government has already funded the contract for a given period so those people will be paid per the contract. If government defaults on the contract then the company will have recourse in the courts.
Exactly. I have contractors on my staff, and they are at work, getting paid.
halls120 is online now  
Old Jan 6, 2019 | 9:28 am
  #35  
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Baltimore, MD USA
Programs: Southwest Rapid Rewards. Tha... that's about it.
Posts: 4,430
TSOs pulling a sick-out are only going to hurt themselves. If they work during the shutdown, they WILL get paid for their hours, even if the checks are late and cause them headaches with their bills. But calling out sick just causes them to use up their sick leave, and potentially exposes them to punishment for illegal job action.

I wouldn't hold my breath on the punishment, however; the people who make that decision are also government employees who are not getting paid during the shutdown and will likely have much sympathy for those who call out sick. Besides, if it's not an organized sick-out but more of a grass-roots movement, then it might not qualify as illegal - just a lot of individual employees calling out sick on their own initiative.

And there is a rather nasty cold going around this season, so there are many folks who are legitimately out sick - it hit me the week before Christmas and ruined my holidays, causing me miss a couple of extra days of work. I'm still not 100% over it, and it's been more than two weeks.

Originally Posted by mauve
SFO security is staffed by Covenant Aviation Security, so I would guess that they are still getting paid. Does anyone know for sure?
Originally Posted by halls120
Exactly. I have contractors on my staff, and they are at work, getting paid.
I was in a similar situation at another job a few years ago, and that is how it worked for me, as well. I was paid by my company, but the government couldn't pay my company's invoices until after the shutdown ended. Being under contract meant that my company was obligated to keep me on the job for the duration of the shutdown, but it also meant that we were certain to get paid for our work after the shutdown ended.

It was awkward, though. I reported for work that first day with only a smattering of essential government employees and one or two other contractors on site. While walking down the hallway, I heard one government employee (who, remember, was forced to be at work but would not get paid until the shutdown ended) exclaim, "What is HE doing here!?" with some genuine anger in her voice. Fortunately, she had said that to another government employee who explained the situation to her without rancor, defusing a potentially hostile encounter.
WillCAD is offline  
Old Jan 6, 2019 | 12:39 pm
  #36  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
20 Countries Visited
500k
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: DFW
Posts: 30,986
New York Times is reporting a similar story as CNN about an increased of TSA screeners calling out sick. How can TSA continue claiming otherwise?

T.S.A. Screeners, Working Without Pay, Are Calling Out Sick
Boggie Dog is offline  
Old Jan 6, 2019 | 2:01 pm
  #37  
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Baltimore, MD USA
Programs: Southwest Rapid Rewards. Tha... that's about it.
Posts: 4,430
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
New York Times is reporting a similar story as CNN about an increased of TSA screeners calling out sick. How can TSA continue claiming otherwise?

T.S.A. Screeners, Working Without Pay, Are Calling Out Sick
Oh, that part is easy - all they have to do is yell "Fake news! Fake news!" and those who support TSA will immediately nod their heads and say, "Yup, I knew it! It's a fake!" while those who don't support TSA will become incensed and say, "No it's not! It's real! You're crazy!"
WillCAD is offline  
Old Jan 6, 2019 | 2:52 pm
  #38  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 3,657
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
New York Times is reporting a similar story as CNN about an increased of TSA screeners calling out sick. How can TSA continue claiming otherwise?

T.S.A. Screeners, Working Without Pay, Are Calling Out Sick
Probably because the people with the authority to produce authoritative statistics are non-essential workers, and therefore anyone can claim anything without any facts available?
jkhuggins is offline  
Old Jan 6, 2019 | 3:14 pm
  #39  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DCA
Programs: UA US CO AA DL FL
Posts: 50,253
Originally Posted by halls120
Exactly. I have contractors on my staff, and they are at work, getting paid.
That may well be. But, many (most, according to reputable reporting) contracts are "subject to appropriation" and without an appropriation, the contractor is not being paid and thus the contractor's employees are effectively laid off.
Often1 is offline  
Old Jan 7, 2019 | 3:54 am
  #40  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
1M
50 Countries Visited
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 72,274
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
New York Times is reporting a similar story as CNN about an increased of TSA screeners calling out sick. How can TSA continue claiming otherwise?

T.S.A. Screeners, Working Without Pay, Are Calling Out Sick
Dishonesty with the public is part and parcel of TSA's mission, so why should you be surprised?
Spiff likes this.
halls120 is online now  
Old Jan 7, 2019 | 8:37 am
  #41  
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 702
Originally Posted by WillCAD
TSOs pulling a sick-out are only going to hurt themselves. If they work during the shutdown, they WILL get paid for their hours, even if the checks are late and cause them headaches with their bills. But calling out sick just causes them to use up their sick leave, and potentially exposes them to punishment for illegal job action.
.
When the president says the shutdown could last "months or years" do you really expect them to sit back and just take it?

Most of these folks are making under $40k. Thats the definition of living paycheck to paycheck in major metro areas.
jamesinclair is offline  
Old Jan 7, 2019 | 8:47 am
  #42  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
20 Countries Visited
500k
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: DFW
Posts: 30,986
Originally Posted by jamesinclair
When the president says the shutdown could last "months or years" do you really expect them to sit back and just take it?

Most of these folks are making under $40k. Thats the definition of living paycheck to paycheck in major metro areas.
As of today they haven't missed one paycheck so why walk off now?
Boggie Dog is offline  
Old Jan 7, 2019 | 8:59 am
  #43  
All eyes on you!
5 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Programs: DL DM/MM, UA Gold, Bonvoy (lol) Titanium/LTP
Posts: 3,360
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
As of today they haven't missed one paycheck so why walk off now?
Not to justify their actions, but if you knew you had rent due that you wouldn't make if you missed your 1/11 paycheck, would you wait until you didn't get your 1/11 paycheck and then get your family evicted from your apartment? This is a tough time of year for many people - Christmas is a time that drains many paycheck-to-paycheck family's resources.

I think it is fair to critique why someone with a stable job like TSA would be living paycheck to paycheck (outside of a few key metros like NYC and SJC with insanely inflated cost of living) as that is a sign of financial irresponsibility, but if someone is already in that situation then calling out sick and trying to scrape together enough income to make rent or pay the mortgage is a perfectly rational decision.

That said, I have limited sympathy for people who agree to work such a societally offensive job, but that is a separate issue.
ethernal is offline  
Old Jan 7, 2019 | 9:18 am
  #44  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
20 Countries Visited
500k
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: DFW
Posts: 30,986
Originally Posted by ethernal
Not to justify their actions, but if you knew you had rent due that you wouldn't make if you missed your 1/11 paycheck, would you wait until you didn't get your 1/11 paycheck and then get your family evicted from your apartment? This is a tough time of year for many people - Christmas is a time that drains many paycheck-to-paycheck family's resources.

I think it is fair to critique why someone with a stable job like TSA would be living paycheck to paycheck (outside of a few key metros like NYC and SJC with insanely inflated cost of living) as that is a sign of financial irresponsibility, but if someone is already in that situation then calling out sick and trying to scrape together enough income to make rent or pay the mortgage is a perfectly rational decision.

That said, I have limited sympathy for people who agree to work such a societally offensive job, but that is a separate issue.
I don't totally disagree with you. In my work life I see people (government employees mostly) with poor financial practices everyday and living paycheck to paycheck is a lot more prevalent than many would suspect. People then turn to payday lenders and pay huge amounts of interests on a few hundred dollars of borrowing. A government shutdown brings a different feel to things but at least federal employees are most likely to get all unpaid days paid at some point. I do wonder if this qualifies for unemployment insurance payments?

If this was a civilian business that just shut its doors the employees would be left high and dry with no hope of later compensation.
Boggie Dog is offline  
Old Jan 7, 2019 | 9:26 am
  #45  
Original Poster
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 7,034
40% of the US population can't cover a $400 unexpected expense. https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/22/pf/...ces/index.html The problem is obviously not limited to gov't employees.

As others have noted, if you know you're not going to get a paycheck on the 11th and you won't be able to cover expenses due shortly after that, waiting until the 11th to do something about the problem seems foolish.
jkhuggins, wrp96 and flatdawgs like this.
richarddd is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.